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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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this is the first time actually the

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second time at the power cast is

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actually done a remote show but but you

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aren't here for the first one no no I

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was at this UFO event in Laughlin Nevada

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or Las Vegas or somewhere and I first

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met Nick Redfern and we did 30 minutes

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together so now you're the voice of this

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event tell us quickly before we

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introduce our guests what that means

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well yeah open minds John Rael is they

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somehow last seated me to be the I guess

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the figure that's doing the updates

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every day I'm gonna figure head well

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yeah in figuratively speaking I've been

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doing the the web updates on Facebook

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and on the open mind site and kind of

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brown I'm doing round ups and at the end

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of the day so oh boy it's a tough job

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you having a big pointy head with all

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these hats on it but well I have to tell

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you why I look take your hat off I can

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see that the resemblance is striking

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yeah just call me zippy

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okay addition is iffy we've got Richard

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Dolan an old friend of ours and this

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system maybe the second or third time

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we've actually met in person yeah that's

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right gene nice to be on you have a new

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book that you came out with recently

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called after disclosure what's the focus

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effect well it's I think it's the first

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book of its kind in the UFO field and

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really what I try to do along with my

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co-author Bryce Abel is to see envision

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the world is it my turn out after we

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gain some admission of the reality of

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UFOs let's put it that way

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so after there's a disclosure of the

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reality of this phenomenon what happens

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next and that's really what this book is

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an exploration about okay so in brief

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well first of all before we even get to

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what might happen after disclosure how

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do you envision disclosure taking place

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that's a great question and that's

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something that's very important in the

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way that I formulated this whole problem

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because for many years I've looked at

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disclosure as a paradox I like to say

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that it's impossible and that it's also

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inevitable it's impossible in the sense

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that look there's no motivation at all

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for anyone who's in possession of this

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secret and I believe that there are such

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- give it up they have too much to lose

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we all kind of know that

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and I get people emailing me and ask me

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all the time well why do you think they

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would bother to give up the secret and

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my answer is I don't think that they're

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gonna bother to give up the secret but

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they're not the only variable in this

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equation

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you've got the secret keepers you've got

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these other beings whoever whatever they

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are and let us not forget the greatest

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variable in the equation which is us we

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the people and the reason I say that is

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that consider how humanity is itself

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evolved so rapidly in the last twenty

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thirty forty years technologically

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socially and how we communicate with

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each other we are not in 1991 that's for

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sure we're surely not in 1971 and

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depending how far back you want to go

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we've been leapfrogging over ourselves

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and so I continually ask myself though

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what might we look like in 2030 or 2040

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it's something that I'm moderately

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interested in I read with some futurist

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experts thing occurs while is saying

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that to be immortal by what 2040 2050

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get to that actually he's popping the

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vitamins like they're you know cherry

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candy I have to pop more than he does

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now I don't think with that far part in

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terms of age but but I mean yeah it

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Kurzweil and Damien Broderick there's

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another one and he wrote a book called

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the spike there's a number of these

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theorists at they could talk about

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essentially computing within 20 30 years

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being able to tell you that they are

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conscious sentient entities nanotech

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developments quantum computing I mean

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even if that doesn't happen we're

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certainly looking at dramatic

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transformations in our world and and

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here's the thing regarding disclosure I

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ask myself in such a world can can we

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actually really think that we're not

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going to be farther along and

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understanding as openly as a society

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than we are today it seems to me that we

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will there gonna be new tools that come

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up I don't know what they'll be but I I

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believe that they will be here and

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something's going to happen between now

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and say of 20-30 years that's going to

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force this issue open well let me ask

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you that question here yeah in terms of

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disclosure do you think one day someone

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from the government or the president

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whoever the president is that time comes

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and says we're being visited by these

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creatures or will there be an external

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event that will trigger what we call

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disclosure well I think the external

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events gonna trigger that type of the

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statement that you just referred to I do

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not believe I've never believed that

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it's just gonna happen voluntarily as a

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gimme you know from them to us saying

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here's the truth that no it will happen

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though for them to stay ahead of the

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curve if the powers that be are are

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finally forced into a situation where

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they've they have to come clean in order

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to control the spin that's what they'll

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do and and by that I mean that

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disclosure will not be an open or

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complete process it will be by its

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nature a necessity a deceptive process

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that doesn't necessarily mean evil now

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to put yourself in the position of

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president let's say that you're informed

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some really nasty stuff about what's

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going down you may not want to panic the

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world you may think that the biggest

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order of the day is to stall for time so

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that you can hold off on telling what

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you may have just learned and if not you

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the president then the secret keepers in

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the deep black world may retain that

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information as long as possible

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disclosure is not gonna be the end of

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anything it's going to be the beginning

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of yet another struggle to get the truth

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that yeah that's a good point and it's

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interesting that you your co-author

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Hollywood background won't you tell us a

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little bit about how the actual project

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evolved because it's a very fascinating

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story I caught a lot of Hell from a lot

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of readers who are very distrustful of

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the fact that I'm working with this

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Hollywood dude but let me just say Bryce

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contacted me a little over a year ago so

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in at the end of 2009 and originally it

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was because he wanted to option my two

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volumes of history UFOs in the national

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security state for TV treatment or was

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some kind of cinematic treatment and I

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knew who he was I knew he did dark skies

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that's a show that's held out very well

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over the years and I thought well okay

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so we'll talk about that and I

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eventually agreed to let him do that but

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what ended up happening is that over the

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winter of 2010 2009-2010 we evolved in

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this conversation and we ended up having

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are really engaging discussions were

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about disclosure

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turns out he's interested in that as

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well I myself have been evolving my

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interests over the last five six years

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I've given a lot of lectures written

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some articles dealing with this as a

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topic and and so we I think it

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crystallized on us about a year ago at

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this time February March of 2010 that we

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really could possibly do a book and we

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could do it quickly for me that was key

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I didn't want to take an inordinate

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amount of time to work time away from

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volume three well it did you know I

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didn't I didn't really do anything last

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spring and summer other than right ad I

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have to disclosure so volume three went

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on hold and I wasn't happy about that

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and I had readers in writing to me we're

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very very not happy about that very

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distrustful of this wacky new project

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that Dolan's doing after all I'm

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supposed to be I'm the historian I'm

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very detached and objective and I do the

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past very and now here I'm running my

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future what's up with that but the fact

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was I love this book I love ad after

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disclosure I feel like it was the most

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exhilarating project for me to denna

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came together really quickly I mean most

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months most book projects take well in

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your case is yours I mean well yeah I

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think I've become notoriously slow with

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my books but yeah I mean in general is

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how I got it dot the i's and cross the

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t's you're looking at a lot of

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information that you have to get correct

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and there's a lot of facts absolutely I

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my co-author I have to say is utterly

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professional great guy to work with just

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a wonderful human being and professional

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in his work ethic we worked every single

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day we set this up developing online and

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I was on the phone with him probably

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every day just about we were going over

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our game plan I'd be working on chapter

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two you'd be working on chapter six we'd

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review everything we the whole thing was

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available for us we edited each other's

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work I will say that I had final

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editorial say over everything that went

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into that book and Bryce is totally cool

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and then I finalized the book for

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publishing I did it through my company

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keyhole publishing now I recently have

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been involved in a project called

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disclosure dialogues which is a five DVD

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set that's coming out and it features a

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very

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cool talk that you a dialogue that you

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and Danny she and Dad oh yeah and I

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learned so much from that and I was so

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impressed with the way the report a that

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you guys established in that and that

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was the longest I think interviewer

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dialogue of the project and one of the

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things that that you know I almost want

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to spoil the spoil and give the nd now

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but you guys came up with this really

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cool idea well we'll get into what that

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idea is but we have to create what they

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call a cliffhanger cliffhangers means we

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hang by the cliff no don't want to get

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into that because we don't have anybody

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named cliff here we do of course have

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Richard Dolan

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he is co-author of this new book called

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after disclosure the co-host is Chris

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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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Burrow coast don't complain about your

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cable bill going up and up and up do

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something about it

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grab a pencil and jot down this special

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number one eight seven seven eight zero

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for my TV the more cable TV rates go up

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the better digital satellite TV looks so

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disabled the cable and get more of your

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favorite channels in 100% digital

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I had to sound like Bigfoot for the Yeti

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mic that was good we're using a Yeti mic

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ladies and gentlemen and because we're

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using a Yeti mic for the rest of this

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episode of the podcast Chris O'Brien

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will do his signature phrase as a Yeti

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now Chris do you do Yeti research I mean

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you did some weird stuff no I mean it

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wouldn't shock me if I learned you did

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research into Yeti yes I have and as a

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matter of fact I actually may have had a

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an encounter on the western slope of

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Mount Shasta in 1979 I was chased off

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Mount Shasta by something that sounded

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like a cross between a an enraged bull

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elephant a steam locomotive and an

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avalanche it's the only way I can

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describe it and it echoed off the foot

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and was about three miles away it was

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terrifying

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fascinating you know I know we were

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gonna get into this other topic of

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disclosure but I just like to mention

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you I met you in 2006 when I was doing a

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shoot for the television show sci-fi

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investigates and one of the things that

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we did was a Bigfoot episode and I never

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I didn't see a Bigfoot but I did get to

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talk to some witnesses a Bigfoot legend

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witnesses and I all I got to say is that

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it was like talking to UFO witnesses

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these were just straight shooting guys

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they're all hunters hanging out in the

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woods

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extensively

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were adamant about what they saw and and

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you ask someone will do you think it was

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a bear and when they look at you and say

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no way man I know what a bear looks like

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this wasn't a bear Who am I to argue

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with so there there are quite a few very

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seemingly reliable sane witnesses of

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what appears to be a Bigfoot - yeah I

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grew up in Washington State so I've

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since I was a little kid I've had a

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fascination with the subject my

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grandfather in 1918 lived in Hoquiam

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Washington and a friend he has was a

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deputy sheriff and he was called out by

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a woman who had a saltfish operation in

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with the brian barrels and the fish in

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the brine and she ended up having to

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call the authorities to have this

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Bigfoot chased away because it was it

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was eating all her finish Wow

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so I've always had a fascination for the

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subject back to disclosure posed I did a

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scenario and the mister hanger missed a

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bit right before we hit the cliff well

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or we hit the wall depending on your

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point of view you post a question let's

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continue well this conversation between

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you and Danny she and Danny Shannon for

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some of our listeners who are not aware

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of who he is he is one of the most

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amazing people in this field he argued I

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think the Pentagon Papers case he's a

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lawyer and you argued the Pentagon

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Papers case in front of the Supreme

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Court when you I think it was in his 20s

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when when that happened yeah yeah he was

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the only person that I know of that was

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ever given access to the project

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Bluebook classified portion of the

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project Bluebook files for instance and

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the story that he told it's an

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extraordinary story yeah absolutely but

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at the end you guys came up with a

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really good idea which he kind of

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co-opted the open minds tag a for a sort

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of a a grassroots organization that

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would start within the political

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structure locally but also in the

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churches which i found was a very

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interesting approach one thing that I

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have not heard in the subject of

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disclosure is bringing in the religious

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element in addressing the cultural

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religious element as opposed to the exo

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political element and starting from that

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point and that makes a lot of sense to

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me because one of the things that you

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always hear is

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one of the things that's holding back

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disclosure is that it's going to destroy

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the whole religious you know the way the

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religious structure on the native world

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is put together and that conversation

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that you guys had I think was very

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illuminating yeah I am I'm glad that you

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mentioned that I had a very nice time

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talking with Dan he's a very brilliant

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man one of the things that I feel is

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that the whole argument of religious

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collapse in disclosure is vastly

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overstated overrated and I just don't

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think that at least if there's going to

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be change it won't happen immediately in

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the world religious it might happen

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after several generations I think that's

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likely but I don't think we're likely to

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see a major collapse you talk to people

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of faith no matter what that faith

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happens to be whether they're well

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fundamentalists I think I'll

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fundamentally well what's gonna happen

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with fundamentalism letlet you know let

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me just jump into that because in

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researching that I I found that to be

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the most interesting variable of the

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whole religious paradigm which is that

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people who are like evangelical

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Christians are gonna look at they look

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at the UFO phenomenon and et in a very

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particular way and they see that as a

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Luciferian or even demonic type of

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phenomenon I would say probably 90% or

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more will look at it that way and so

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after a disclosure event occurs we can

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assume that they're going to see that

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this is either you know the Antichrist

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or the second coming or something out of

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Revelations or something that's just

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simply demonic Lucifer is considered the

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Prince of the power of the powers of air

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for example so they're going to take a

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very hostile approach to this new

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reality and there's no way that's going

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to change the only way that will that

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will ever go away is when those people

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die off and their grandchildren may grow

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up with a different attitude about it

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because I don't think people change I do

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think generations change but I mean in

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terms of what what Danny was talking

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about you know starting a kind of a

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grassroots movement to to promote an

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awareness of an ET reality and a

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possible disclosure yeah I thought that

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was a real innovation on his mark

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it's not something that I'd really

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considered much either thank you he

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addressed that here at the conference I

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unfortunately I'm gonna have to get it

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on DVD but I think that was the topic of

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his his talk concerns about religion

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also depend on what Ichi would tell us

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in terms if they communicate with us and

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convey information about their beliefs

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very religion that's what could upset

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the applecart

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yeah that's a very good point Jean and

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it's a variable that I don't know how I

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could address that at this point not

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knowing what they might say certainly in

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the rumor mill you hear all kinds of

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stories about how they have claimed that

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whether Christ was an alien for example

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you know whether that story will come

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out as allegedly true I don't I don't

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believe that incidentally or whether

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they'll claim to have created us through

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genetic manipulation well let's look at

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that scenario here right because that's

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one that might be possibly I mean

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something if we believe may be an

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ancient astronauts they come here they

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take the local populace they create this

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hybrid race of which we're part right

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and that revelation comes forth okay God

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didn't create you in seven days or

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whatever

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it didn't happen with Adam and Eve Adam

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and Eve is basically the two hybrid

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creatures we created they appropriated

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and created you okay how do they react

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to that religions that you react to that

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that's a big if if they actually come

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out and say something like that I'm

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doubtful that that would actually come

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right out in such a manner and in fact

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I'm doubtful at all that when we have a

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disclosure that there'll be any ETS to

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present right I'm just skeptical like my

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feeling is that we'll have a will get to

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a point where we are sufficiently able

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to prove as a society that they're here

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but we may not have the ability to drag

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them down and put them up on a stage yet

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so in that case I think disclosure will

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be very unsatisfactory well and a lot of

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open questions in a lot of debates but

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if let's say that that one of their

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entities make such a statement that you

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know we we've genetically modified

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earlier versions of Homo sapiens for

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example I still don't really think that

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the religions are going to come

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I don't think people change that

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radically once they hit the age of say

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30 I think they're pretty much done for

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the rest of their lives of what is the

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og well you know I'm 50 or 60 times that

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age you know I'm as old as the hills

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civilization and now they're coming back

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Richard Dolan joining us he is co-author

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mean this is such a rare thing with the

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power cast that were on location on the

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scene talking to Richard Dolan co-author

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of the book after disclosure and we're

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speculating

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let's disclose having fun kind of like

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that Chris you pick up on the question

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well what do you think is going to be

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the you know the exopolitical it's let

685
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me rephrase this the EXO political

686
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:04,290
movement seems to be gaining quite a bit

687
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of strength and I'm trying to say this

688
00:28:12,050 --> 00:28:09,300
kindly but there are certain figures

689
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within that particular movement that

690
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tend to be beyond true believers and

691
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:17,670
they're actually becoming I personally

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00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:19,650
feel part of the problem with creating

693
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scenarios where there's dates and lots

694
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of what appears to be misinformation and

695
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:27,150
disinformation I mean how is that do you

696
00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:29,130
think impacting the whole subject right

697
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:31,140
now well it's it's a real problem in my

698
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opinion I think that the whole

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phenomenon of making predictions has

700
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become the real bane of this whole field

701
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:38,880
to be honest I'm so sick and tired of

702
00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:40,380
whatever prediction the blue bean

703
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,270
prediction of October 13th remember that

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00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:44,520
one explained to our listeners this may

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have just gone off the radar or off the

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rails

707
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:49,770
hang on your point if we look what has

708
00:28:55,390 --> 00:28:52,640
happened it's an explosion of these

709
00:28:58,490 --> 00:28:55,400
exopolitical writers and other others

710
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:58,500
self-appointed experts who are in love

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00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:59,640
with the fact that they can make a

712
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,100
prediction about either an imminent

713
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:04,320
disclosure by President Obama he's

714
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:07,620
bought airtime folks or or you know

715
00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:08,440
which network

716
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:13,420
by the way Fox News or or the sighting

717
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:16,450
of an ET fleet that will be here that

718
00:29:19,530 --> 00:29:17,980
you know will appear in such-and-such a

719
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:19,540
place of such-and-such a date and and

720
00:29:24,330 --> 00:29:22,990
these predictions are always wrong and

721
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:24,340
and when they're right it's only by

722
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:26,950
coincidence look I can make an EPT UFO

723
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:28,360
sighting prediction on any day of the

724
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:30,610
year and I'll probably be right because

725
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:32,730
there are UFO sightings everything today

726
00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:35,590
there every single day so of course I'm

727
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,390
never gonna be wrong well the way this

728
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:39,520
one prediction was vindicated is because

729
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:40,930
they had those balloons in New York City

730
00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:43,210
so many since that removes aloft if you

731
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:44,860
don't know what they are they are there

732
00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:47,830
for UFOs but soon they became IFOS

733
00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:50,830
absolutely correct and it's it's an

734
00:29:54,570 --> 00:29:53,320
embarrassment and it's an annoyance to

735
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:54,580
anyone who's trying to do their research

736
00:29:58,020 --> 00:29:56,170
seriously I like to think I'm trying to

737
00:30:00,960 --> 00:29:58,030
be serious so I try to stay away from

738
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:00,970
those those types of people and the day

739
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,060
may come when some of us have to take

740
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:05,440
our gloves off and Duke it out a little

741
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:07,150
more openly and if I ever have to do

742
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,070
that dirty gear first for that's now

743
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:10,960
first year in the preneurcast we're

744
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:12,610
talking about Richard Dolan who is a

745
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:14,680
very mild-mannered I'm good at being a

746
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:19,120
chicken okay he's got the glasses I also

747
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:20,590
have reading glasses everybody's wearing

748
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:22,810
glasses put me there they go okay anyway

749
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:25,930
he is a mild-mannered reporter for I'm

750
00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:27,730
not a great metropolitan newspaper but

751
00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:29,260
whatever yeah but he'll take the gloves

752
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:31,270
off and he'll pull off the shirt and

753
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,850
there it can happen pick an MMA mixed

754
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:36,640
martial arts right you see those are the

755
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:38,410
people who look like they're just normal

756
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:40,690
kind of people and you don't think these

757
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:42,310
people have the big muscles but suddenly

758
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:43,150
they're wiry

759
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:46,240
watch out for that it's not it's not

760
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:48,160
actually being chicken so much as just

761
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:50,110
really trying to avoid wasting my time

762
00:30:53,610 --> 00:30:51,640
and honestly that's what it comes down

763
00:30:56,010 --> 00:30:53,620
to there are a number of people in

764
00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:56,020
dealing and XO politics that I've that I

765
00:30:59,940 --> 00:30:57,180
think have made some interesting

766
00:31:01,170 --> 00:30:59,950
contributions but everything's a mix

767
00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:01,180
back and there have been others that I

768
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:03,460
think have actually hurt the field okay

769
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:05,080
what's that we have the mis-predictions

770
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:06,910
yeah of the day of the week I get the

771
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:09,040
emailing myself but you're saying some

772
00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:11,020
people have made a contribution in what

773
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:12,190
respect who are they

774
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:14,540
oh god Jean

775
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,930
are you doing to me here man you about

776
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:20,880
the ones that haven't know listen we

777
00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:22,200
hear about them I want to get the

778
00:31:26,420 --> 00:31:24,750
positive um well alright let me let me

779
00:31:27,860 --> 00:31:26,430
talk about a man who I would consider a

780
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:27,870
friend that's Steven Bassett and I know

781
00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:29,580
Steve you catch a lot of crap from some

782
00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:31,470
places and he gets he gets uh props from

783
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:33,270
other places I feel that history is

784
00:31:36,260 --> 00:31:34,740
gonna be kind of Steven partly because

785
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:36,270
I'm gonna write that history but also

786
00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:38,340
just in part because I think that he

787
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,160
deserves it and that is the trooper in

788
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:43,740
the future and here's why I think a guy

789
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:46,470
like Steven who is not a he's not an

790
00:31:51,260 --> 00:31:48,660
academia he's not a scholar he's inner

791
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:51,270
self is absolutely an advocate and an

792
00:31:56,180 --> 00:31:53,700
activist who believes in in the

793
00:31:58,820 --> 00:31:56,190
necessity of pushing disclosure and he's

794
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,830
made a number of predictions that turn

795
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:00,960
out to be incorrect as well he mean I've

796
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:02,340
had a conversation with Steve back in

797
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:05,700
2002 in which he was convinced there was

798
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,770
going to be disclosure in the new Bush

799
00:32:12,290 --> 00:32:09,600
administration and I just said what are

800
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:12,300
you smoking Jake and you know it didn't

801
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:13,890
happen but he thought it would and we've

802
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:15,270
gone through this for years and years

803
00:32:22,550 --> 00:32:20,490
but honestly I think that if you're

804
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,560
going into a debate on the UFO

805
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:24,600
phenomenon I you don't want to go up

806
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,250
against the law like Steven he's he's an

807
00:32:29,660 --> 00:32:28,080
outstanding public speaker man who

808
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,670
thinks really fast on his feet he's

809
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:31,620
never been an embarrassment on a major

810
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:34,110
media interview that I've ever seen so

811
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,840
he quits himself well and I think for

812
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:38,820
that reason he's a credit to what we do

813
00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:40,650
the problem I think we had with him with

814
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the power cast not to mention the fact

815
00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:44,910
that he had kind of a on-air meltdown

816
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:47,040
where he became very excitable is that

817
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,680
we feel that the people he brings to his

818
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:51,960
conferences should be better vetted it's

819
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:53,730
got really good people really smart

820
00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:56,010
bright people Oh Richard sure and then

821
00:32:59,420 --> 00:32:57,420
he has some people that we will not

822
00:33:01,100 --> 00:32:59,430
mention right I I myself had this

823
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:01,110
problem and I myself have mentioned this

824
00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:02,970
to Steven privately I'll just let you

825
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:05,040
know that there is a lot of people who

826
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:06,720
had some issues with a number of the

827
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:09,090
individuals that he brought on in in the

828
00:33:13,670 --> 00:33:11,310
past and I think he listened to those

829
00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:13,680
actually and at the very last X

830
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:16,680
conference which was in 2010 I would I

831
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:19,230
think that the the people who attended

832
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:22,230
who were spoke excuse me were generally

833
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:24,280
very strong group of people hmm

834
00:33:28,830 --> 00:33:26,740
opinion pass Steven Bassett anybody else

835
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:28,840
that you think you could rate in a

836
00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:33,310
positive fashion oh boy well there

837
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:34,540
aren't that many self-appointed

838
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:37,890
exopolitical writers I mean well there's

839
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,120
there's Alfred Webber there's Michael

840
00:33:44,850 --> 00:33:42,640
salla there's Powell Harris all right

841
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:44,860
pal Allah is someone that is a friend of

842
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:47,410
mine and I have a lot of personal regard

843
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:51,610
for paola and I do think that you know

844
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:53,890
if you simply take the the various

845
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:55,690
interviews that she's done with a lot of

846
00:34:01,020 --> 00:33:57,880
people over the years put in having put

847
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:01,030
them together into a compilation if

848
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:02,760
nothing else I think it's been a useful

849
00:34:08,490 --> 00:34:05,410
research tool for myself she's very

850
00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:08,500
consistent I would say this we had some

851
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:09,880
problems with her when she was on the

852
00:34:13,649 --> 00:34:12,070
panel yes like everybody I certainly am

853
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,659
aware of that as well okay but you know

854
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:16,480
what we talked to her at this event and

855
00:34:21,419 --> 00:34:19,120
we had pleasant conversation no hard

856
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:21,429
feelings because we can disagree with

857
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:23,590
people but it doesn't mean you can't be

858
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:26,020
friendly with them Pella is a very good

859
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:27,790
human being and I'll always love her and

860
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:29,710
she's been good to me over the years

861
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,090
I've had nothing but positive

862
00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:33,040
interactions with her yeah me too she's

863
00:34:39,149 --> 00:34:35,470
a sweetie okay so we'll go past that

864
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:39,159
okay but again here is your something

865
00:34:43,860 --> 00:34:41,560
and we have one more segment after this

866
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:43,870
to pursue this after disclosure I guess

867
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:45,220
we're talking about the act of

868
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:47,440
disclosure so how do we do it we have

869
00:34:52,139 --> 00:34:49,270
Leslie cane had this really great book

870
00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:52,149
yeah now deep very well probably one of

871
00:34:55,950 --> 00:34:54,070
the best-selling UFO books in a long

872
00:34:57,930 --> 00:34:55,960
long time it gets up there on the New

873
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,940
York Times bestseller list ahead of some

874
00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:00,160
of the conservative books I mean really

875
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,260
ahead of some of the political books Jim

876
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:04,000
got a Fox News so she talked to the

877
00:35:09,090 --> 00:35:07,150
conservatives okay so we have that is

878
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:09,100
that making a difference things like

879
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:11,110
that things like the UFO and nukes

880
00:35:14,010 --> 00:35:13,300
conference at the National Press Club I

881
00:35:18,090 --> 00:35:14,020
think so

882
00:35:19,530 --> 00:35:18,100
I really do you know just because when

883
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:19,540
you swing the bat that ball doesn't go

884
00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:21,130
over the fence and dead center field

885
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:23,560
doesn't mean that you can't make some

886
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:27,250
progress maybe you know you can that's

887
00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:28,870
probably not the best analogy but let's

888
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:32,860
say you know if you're not smashing down

889
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:34,780
the wall of secrecy with one blow this

890
00:35:38,009 --> 00:35:35,410
is a better

891
00:35:40,049 --> 00:35:38,019
you may crack it rather than break it

892
00:35:43,470 --> 00:35:40,059
down and I think like Leslie's book for

893
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:43,480
example is is a is something that's

894
00:35:47,069 --> 00:35:45,490
gonna have a lot of staying power it's

895
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:47,079
something that speaks to a certain

896
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:48,160
population that doesn't usually

897
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,440
encounter UFO information and it's very

898
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:52,480
well designed for that I think it will

899
00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:53,710
make a difference and I do think that

900
00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:55,539
the the press conference on the nukes

901
00:36:00,539 --> 00:35:58,390
was a very positive thing overall and

902
00:36:03,930 --> 00:36:00,549
there wasn't really I didn't catch a lot

903
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:03,940
of media caricaturing of that it didn't

904
00:36:07,289 --> 00:36:05,470
seem to me that these guys costume

905
00:36:09,390 --> 00:36:07,299
washing my photos said there was oh the

906
00:36:11,789 --> 00:36:09,400
post of course yes of course am I

907
00:36:13,319 --> 00:36:11,799
thinking right yes they do we have to

908
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:13,329
mention to be positive thanks for

909
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:14,950
bringing it one of our favorite guests

910
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:16,690
on my tech show the tech night our life

911
00:36:22,109 --> 00:36:19,660
is the personal technology correspondent

912
00:36:24,210 --> 00:36:22,119
for the Washington Post followed by the

913
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:24,220
name of Rob Hager arrow but you know

914
00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:25,750
that doesn't mean that we validate

915
00:36:28,980 --> 00:36:27,160
anything else you read in the newspaper

916
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:28,990
it's just that he's a nice guy and we

917
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:31,210
enjoy having him on the show the book by

918
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:32,170
the way and we're gonna have another

919
00:36:38,009 --> 00:36:34,660
segment coming up with Richard Dolan the

920
00:36:40,049 --> 00:36:38,019
book is called after disclosure Ansah

921
00:36:43,259 --> 00:36:40,059
book the he co-wrote where it presents a

922
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:43,269
scenario that once we realize in a

923
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:45,940
general sense what's going on what might

924
00:36:48,359 --> 00:36:47,500
happen then we'll pursue that in more

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detail in a moment

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Chris O'Brien's the co-hosts Tom Jean

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for freedom of information and you are

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listening to the podcast so when you do

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that does that create an echo do you do

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reverb that or what No Chris has natural

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reverb he has three diaphragms wait till

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they say that people who hate the power

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cast are now going to post this stuff

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say Jane Steinberg said that Chris

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O'Brien has three diaphragms no ladies

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and gentlemen he has five we don't have

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that much time left here so let's do

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another positive way let's go ahead sure

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what was the toughest thing that you and

1050
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Bryce had to deal with in in coming up

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with the scenario for the book and the

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thing that created the most work for you

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guys wow it's a great question I

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honestly I have to tell you every single

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chapter of that book was an adventure

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for me personally to go through because

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all of it was new except well there was

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there two historical chapters that I

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wrote nearly all most of those that sort

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of set the groundwork for the reader

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that was probably the easiest even those

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were difficult because in one of those I

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sort of laid out my idea of what I call

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a breakaway civilization and that's even

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trying to conceptualize that isn't the

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easiest thing sometimes for me to do

1067
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would you conceptualize it for us yeah

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in a minute or less okay my idea is

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basically this if you if you envision a

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black-budget world that's acquired

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exotic technology let's just say Roswell

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happen in other other events may have

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happened what we got exotic et Tek I

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think that did happen so in that

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scenario you've got a bunch of genius

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level scientists who are probably

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looking at it with a great deal of

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secrecy I'll have security over many

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many years probably an enormous amount

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of money to play with to research and so

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on so what happens after 10 20 30 years

1082
00:43:08,209 --> 00:43:06,119
of researching this do you have any

1083
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:08,219
breakthroughs and and do all of those

1084
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:10,169
breakthroughs get segwayed into private

1085
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,970
research

1086
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:13,920
private industry maybe some of them do

1087
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:15,690
but do all of them what if you have a

1088
00:43:20,810 --> 00:43:17,370
breakthrough that's so important that it

1089
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,820
doesn't for example anti-gravity or some

1090
00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:22,800
kind of biotech development that allows

1091
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:24,990
for super longevity and I'm just you

1092
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:26,970
know speculating here but in that event

1093
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,700
I could easily see it as a case where

1094
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:31,680
the the higher-ups would say no we're

1095
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:33,000
not going to be sharing that with anyone

1096
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:34,920
anytime soon but that doesn't mean that

1097
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:37,230
research would stop and so what what I

1098
00:43:41,570 --> 00:43:38,790
actually think has happened is that

1099
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,580
there probably were breakthroughs in

1100
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:44,160
anti grab or field propulsion maybe as

1101
00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:46,170
far back as the 1960s I think there are

1102
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:48,030
good reasons to argue this and if that's

1103
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,250
so well science is one of these things

1104
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,160
it's not linear it builds on itself so a

1105
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,220
covert breakthrough and something as

1106
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:58,020
exotic as field propulsion might lead to

1107
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:59,700
other breakthroughs in other areas that

1108
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:01,740
I can't even conceive at a certain point

1109
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,350
you've got a a group here that's on a

1110
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:06,180
totally different level of Science and

1111
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:07,440
Technology than the rest of the world

1112
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:10,620
and with very possibly the ability maybe

1113
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,590
to even to go offworld and and if so are

1114
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:14,880
they having interactions with these

1115
00:44:20,420 --> 00:44:18,300
other entities that might in turn it

1116
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:20,430
change their own worldview or cosmology

1117
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:22,320
if all of these things are the case as I

1118
00:44:27,350 --> 00:44:25,140
speculate then in a sense we are talking

1119
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,360
about a separate civilization one that's

1120
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,280
broken away from our own hands to break

1121
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,280
away civilization that's the idea and it

1122
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:34,260
is something that I think is possible

1123
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:36,360
and I think maybe one of the factors

1124
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:38,760
involved in the UFO cover-up one of the

1125
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:40,380
things we talked about occasionally in

1126
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:43,500
terms of cover-ups is the participation

1127
00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:46,250
of so-called military or government

1128
00:44:51,830 --> 00:44:48,780
disinformation agents in the UFO field

1129
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:51,840
feeding us fake information things that

1130
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:54,750
you know aren't analyzing but they're

1131
00:44:59,360 --> 00:44:57,510
never true so doesn't that make it an

1132
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,370
awful lot more difficult if that's

1133
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:01,800
happening of course to figure out where

1134
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:03,810
the real stuff begins and ends yeah

1135
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:06,030
absolutely it's never easy you know

1136
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:07,890
doing this field is like doing a five

1137
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:09,540
thousand piece jigsaw puzzle with fake

1138
00:45:13,610 --> 00:45:11,850
pieces tossed in a bunch of pieces taken

1139
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:13,620
out and someone's screaming over your

1140
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:15,270
shoulder you're doing it wrong all the

1141
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:15,510
time

1142
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:18,330
that's our field and you know with no

1143
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:19,830
image though either all white or all

1144
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:20,940
black puzzle

1145
00:45:26,059 --> 00:45:24,300
right so um yeah I I don't pretend that

1146
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:26,069
I'm gonna be any better than the next

1147
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,230
guy at getting to the core of the truth

1148
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,240
and knowing it for all time but I'm just

1149
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,520
doing my best to figure it out let's

1150
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,079
pursue this just a little bit more in

1151
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:36,780
terms of after disclosure in terms of

1152
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:39,510
the revelation comes however it comes

1153
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:43,140
right okay so we look at private

1154
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,690
industry the oil industry okay maybe we

1155
00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:47,880
have some source of energy that makes

1156
00:45:52,579 --> 00:45:50,550
the internal combustion engine obsolete

1157
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:52,589
forget about plugging it into your wall

1158
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,319
socket and doing it as we're starting to

1159
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,260
do now so what happens wouldn't they

1160
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,359
want to stop it absolutely oil oil is

1161
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:02,940
that maybe at the heart of this problem

1162
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:05,369
and you know Chris earlier you asked

1163
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:06,420
what was one of the hardest things for

1164
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,740
me to write about well this is one of

1165
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:09,420
them is I didn't writing about the

1166
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:12,329
effects of the petroleum and trying to

1167
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:13,859
understand the place that petroleum

1168
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:16,710
takes within the UFO cover-up in general

1169
00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:19,950
look whatever these objects use to get

1170
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:21,780
from point A to point B we can assume it

1171
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:25,079
isn't petroleum so an in the event that

1172
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:27,480
at disk Alize to your home our god right

1173
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:29,849
wouldn't that suck but i don't think it

1174
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:31,290
is anything that can allow them to fly

1175
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:33,569
silently stop on a dime make a right no

1176
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:35,970
radius turn and all of this I think is a

1177
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,390
little niftier than petroleum and so it

1178
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,040
when there's a disclosure announcement

1179
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:43,280
really how long is it gonna take before

1180
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:45,660
some bright journalist says hey wait a

1181
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:47,790
minute so what's up with the troubling

1182
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,430
him and and it's gonna be on the table

1183
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:53,520
and at that moment I mean it's not

1184
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:55,650
simply that petroleum is the largest

1185
00:46:59,020 --> 00:46:56,940
industry in the world which it it

1186
00:47:00,859 --> 00:46:59,030
probably is certainly the two most

1187
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,869
profitable companies in the world I

1188
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:02,940
believe are Gazprom of Russia and Exxon

1189
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:04,530
Mobil and they're their petroleum

1190
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:07,290
companies it's not just that though but

1191
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:09,210
is that the entire global financial

1192
00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:12,630
system is in many ways dependent on

1193
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:14,670
petroleum we don't use the phrase Petro

1194
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:17,550
dollars nothing it infuses I mean if the

1195
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:20,180
price of any product that you can

1196
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:24,030
purchase much of that is has to do with

1197
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:25,200
the amount of energy that went into

1198
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,150
making it and transporting it and that

1199
00:47:30,940 --> 00:47:29,220
comes down to petroleum so it infuses

1200
00:47:33,460 --> 00:47:30,950
our whole global economy and

1201
00:47:36,670 --> 00:47:33,470
and if that becomes obsolete clearly

1202
00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:36,680
we're talking about massive changes in

1203
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:38,540
the global economy global financial

1204
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:40,460
system all those trillions of dollars

1205
00:47:45,730 --> 00:47:42,890
that the plutocrats have wrapped up in

1206
00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:45,740
petroleum assets suddenly go poof now

1207
00:47:49,870 --> 00:47:47,540
that may not be a big deal for the

1208
00:47:51,010 --> 00:47:49,880
average guy in the street but it's going

1209
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:51,020
to have to have massive political

1210
00:47:57,549 --> 00:47:55,040
ramifications for all of us now in the

1211
00:47:58,900 --> 00:47:57,559
long run certainly we I think we can all

1212
00:48:00,849 --> 00:47:58,910
agree the world needs to move beyond

1213
00:48:03,220 --> 00:48:00,859
petroleum this is not going to be a

1214
00:48:05,319 --> 00:48:03,230
sustainable source of energy for us for

1215
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:05,329
a lot longer so you can't say drill baby

1216
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:06,770
drill very much longer

1217
00:48:10,569 --> 00:48:08,750
well even if you did even if we had an

1218
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,579
infinite supply of petroleum in look

1219
00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:12,079
what we're doing with the world how how

1220
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:13,099
many more years are we going to do this

1221
00:48:17,289 --> 00:48:14,750
before we completely trash the entire

1222
00:48:19,630 --> 00:48:17,299
Pacific Ocean we've got some real

1223
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:19,640
problems in petroleum and can't get us I

1224
00:48:24,099 --> 00:48:22,250
think as a society as a species to where

1225
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,109
we want to be in the next century or two

1226
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,000
so we need something else and I do

1227
00:48:30,849 --> 00:48:28,240
believe that the UFO phenomenon offers

1228
00:48:35,289 --> 00:48:30,859
whatever the answer is I think it's it's

1229
00:48:38,289 --> 00:48:35,299
within the UFO phenomenon I don't think

1230
00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:38,299
we're gonna have any sort of disclosure

1231
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:40,940
until they figured out you know in terms

1232
00:48:45,099 --> 00:48:43,130
of if it's having to do with energy free

1233
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:45,109
energy because nothing is free in this

1234
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:47,150
world and they're gonna have to figure

1235
00:48:52,359 --> 00:48:49,609
out a way to meter put a meter on free

1236
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,369
energy before any any sort of agreement

1237
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:55,280
by thereby be the petrol of companies to

1238
00:48:58,780 --> 00:48:57,140
to get involved I suspect you're

1239
00:49:01,299 --> 00:48:58,790
absolutely right on that actually

1240
00:49:04,180 --> 00:49:01,309
because they you know look it the world

1241
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:04,190
is not just gonna change into you know

1242
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:05,420
everyone holding hands and singing

1243
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,670
Kumbaya there's still gonna be power

1244
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:08,720
groups and they're gonna want to

1245
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:09,880
maintain their power

1246
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:12,410
rockers sing John Lennon's power to the

1247
00:49:16,589 --> 00:49:15,230
people maybe we will but there's gonna

1248
00:49:19,299 --> 00:49:16,599
be the guys on the other side as well

1249
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:19,309
they may have their own song power to us

1250
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:21,950
yeah right well that's the big question

1251
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:25,339
here too after all this you got the book

1252
00:49:30,609 --> 00:49:27,430
out there do you have a feeling when

1253
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:30,619
this might happen well I'm you know I

1254
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:32,990
don't like making predictions but I do

1255
00:49:35,530 --> 00:49:34,460
think that disclosure will happen one

1256
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:35,540
thing I'll say is I think it'll happen

1257
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:38,000
fast I think and I've been saying this

1258
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:40,430
all along and and take a look at what's

1259
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:41,370
going on in the Arab

1260
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:43,140
today two months ago who would have

1261
00:49:48,890 --> 00:49:45,360
predicted this what's happening and like

1262
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:48,900
lightning its you've got an incredible

1263
00:49:54,350 --> 00:49:52,290
tide of humanity and a yearning for

1264
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,360
freedom by the way and it's happened

1265
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,680
very quickly and I think this closure

1266
00:50:00,590 --> 00:49:58,020
will happen quickly also I've felt this

1267
00:50:02,030 --> 00:50:00,600
way for years as to when I don't think

1268
00:50:03,590 --> 00:50:02,040
it's gonna happen tomorrow I don't think

1269
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:03,600
it'll happen next year but I do think it

1270
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,130
could easily happen within twenty years

1271
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:07,440
from now and I only say that because of

1272
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,690
the way that I think our own society is

1273
00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:11,700
changing and evolving and I think that

1274
00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:14,550
by that time we'll be very possibly in a

1275
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:17,190
position to have the tools as a society

1276
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:20,850
to record capture communicate this

1277
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:22,290
phenomenon in a way that makes it

1278
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,050
difficult for the powers that be to deny

1279
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:26,760
twenty years knows several life dreams

1280
00:50:31,610 --> 00:50:29,310
well my question is certainly the way

1281
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:31,620
society runs now I mean if we just

1282
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:32,850
figured out what's happened in the past

1283
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:35,400
ten years forget about that but of

1284
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:37,110
course the final question would be then

1285
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,220
do we even have any control over it well

1286
00:50:46,310 --> 00:50:43,020
we have some control we have control

1287
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:46,320
over our own actions and we have control

1288
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:49,230
over whether or not we can panic or not

1289
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,720
panic one of the messages that I really

1290
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:54,480
wanted to impart the reader with at the

1291
00:50:59,360 --> 00:50:56,490
end was no fear I really think that fear

1292
00:51:02,120 --> 00:50:59,370
not only is just a bad idea in general

1293
00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:02,130
but also unnecessary in the sense that I

1294
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:05,820
think intelligently we would be able to

1295
00:51:09,110 --> 00:51:07,890
get through the disclosure process in a

1296
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:09,120
way that's actually beneficial for

1297
00:51:13,610 --> 00:51:11,220
Humanity and doesn't have to end up in a

1298
00:51:15,530 --> 00:51:13,620
fascist global police state it might and

1299
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:15,540
we'll have to fight to make sure it

1300
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:17,850
doesn't but it can end up in a positive

1301
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:20,580
way okay rich stole and where do we find

1302
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:22,950
more of the stuff that you do my

1303
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,530
websites keyhole publishing calm just

1304
00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:27,660
like looking through a keyhole ke Y hol

1305
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,670
e publishing it's got everything you

1306
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,680
need right there Richard Owen thank you

1307
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:33,780
so much for joining us this week on the

1308
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,540
oh man you ride dude

1309
00:51:52,650 --> 00:51:49,850
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1310
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:52,660
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1324
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:40,050
we're back live on the scene can you

1325
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:43,020
believe this we're actually at this

1326
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:46,920
convention this UFO convention in near

1327
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:49,610
scottsdale arizona on indian territory

1328
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:51,990
sacred indian territory right chris

1329
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,300
correct and we've got Kathleen Martin

1330
00:52:57,830 --> 00:52:56,400
she's co-author of that book with

1331
00:53:00,200 --> 00:52:57,840
Stanton Friedman we've talked about in

1332
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:00,210
the past called captured also when

1333
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:04,530
science was science was wrong okay okay

1334
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:07,320
we debated that with you and of course

1335
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:09,000
was Stanton and of course Paul Campbell

1336
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,650
okay well we're and which is kind of

1337
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:12,720
unusual having Paul Campbell debate with

1338
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:14,690
his uncle Stanton

1339
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:17,370
all right brought you on because I want

1340
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:20,250
to talk about UFO abductions because of

1341
00:53:26,350 --> 00:53:22,170
your very personal involvement as the

1342
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:26,360
niece of Betty Hill and we've had this

1343
00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:30,450
great brouhaha in the field screaming

1344
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,600
yelling about this current controversy

1345
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,520
over the investigative techniques of

1346
00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:36,960
people like what Hopkins who by the way

1347
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:38,430
is gravely ill I should mention that

1348
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:41,310
he's very ill I understand as we speak

1349
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:42,870
here he's feeling somewhat better and

1350
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:44,850
we're happy to hear that but you don't

1351
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,970
take a person who is not in the best of

1352
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health and you hammer them with severe

1353
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criticisms inexcusable

1354
00:53:58,450 --> 00:53:54,870
Kathleen what's your impression about

1355
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,460
all this I have I think I have a pretty

1356
00:54:07,070 --> 00:54:01,440
balanced impression about all of this in

1357
00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:07,080
buds favor I have to say that he has

1358
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:10,620
done some very good investigation in my

1359
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:13,380
opinion into abductions

1360
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:18,900
however he has also over many years had

1361
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:22,020
hundreds if not thousands of individuals

1362
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:26,370
who needed his help and I think that you

1363
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:29,310
come to a point where you have to either

1364
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:33,170
think about doing a complete thorough

1365
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:36,900
long-term investigation of perhaps one

1366
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:41,520
case or you have to attempt to help all

1367
00:54:46,610 --> 00:54:43,500
of these people who are asking who are

1368
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:46,620
crying for your help so I think that bud

1369
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:47,490
perhaps

1370
00:54:54,609 --> 00:54:51,240
into some trouble because he didn't have

1371
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:54,619
the time to do those really thorough

1372
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:57,930
investigations on everyone trying to do

1373
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:00,720
too much possibly trying to do too much

1374
00:55:08,350 --> 00:55:04,020
that's that's my opinion now at the same

1375
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:08,360
time anyone can be the victim of a hoax

1376
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:11,220
particularly if you don't have the time

1377
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:14,820
to do those thorough investigation look

1378
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:16,680
what happened with John Mack same thing

1379
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:18,630
he got hoaxed and you don't have the

1380
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:20,910
funding to have psychological

1381
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:23,630
evaluations done to have personality

1382
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:27,480
profile testing to examine physical

1383
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:30,030
evidence to do an investigation of that

1384
00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:32,730
person's background so you know there's

1385
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,040
a lack of funding and then there's also

1386
00:55:40,850 --> 00:55:38,640
the desire to help people do you feel

1387
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,860
then Kathleen that maybe these people

1388
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:43,440
people like Budd Hopkins and dr. David

1389
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:45,570
Jacobs they're not trained therapists

1390
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:47,700
but they are the stopgap we have nothing

1391
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:50,010
else there very few people certainly

1392
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:52,140
professionals are involved so someone

1393
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:53,970
has to do it so they stepped in well

1394
00:55:59,420 --> 00:55:56,609
first of all I want to say that although

1395
00:56:02,240 --> 00:55:59,430
Budd is not a trained therapist

1396
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,250
initially he did work with trained

1397
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:05,280
therapists psychiatrists and he learned

1398
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:08,760
from them so that's another thing that I

1399
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:11,850
want to say in Budds defense he did step

1400
00:56:18,020 --> 00:56:14,460
in and I think that he felt competent in

1401
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:18,030
fact I was speaking to buds intruders

1402
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:20,490
foundation a couple of a year ago last

1403
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:24,390
October and Budd hypnotized me I'm a

1404
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:27,420
hypnotherapist myself and I wanted to

1405
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:31,200
examine his technique so so you have the

1406
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:32,310
training you're trained as a

1407
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:34,290
hypnotherapist yes I'm not certified

1408
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:35,700
yeah where they asked you some questions

1409
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:37,590
about that moment that I am certified

1410
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:41,970
and I was impressed with buds technique

1411
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:44,609
he didn't lead me I think that's the

1412
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:46,220
question that skeptics say about

1413
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:50,220
abductions that the researcher and I'll

1414
00:56:54,109 --> 00:56:52,290
talk about but Hopkins also dr. David

1415
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:54,119
Jacobs they're leading the witnesses to

1416
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:55,810
believe that they

1417
00:56:59,580 --> 00:56:57,610
have been taken aboard spaceships

1418
00:57:02,580 --> 00:56:59,590
they've been subjected to sexual

1419
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:02,590
examinations etc etc well from my

1420
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:06,670
investigation of all of this and I wrote

1421
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:10,720
a very long 40,000 word article called

1422
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:13,750
the conundrum of alien abduction about

1423
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:17,530
all of these academic studies I believe

1424
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:21,210
that some people probably have had

1425
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:24,030
hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucinations

1426
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:27,760
that are a sleep paralysis or a

1427
00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:31,150
combination of those and have come to

1428
00:57:36,750 --> 00:57:33,070
believe that they might have been

1429
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,760
abducted and of course if they truly

1430
00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:39,520
believe that they have and they're

1431
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:41,590
working with someone who is not a

1432
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:46,180
clinical therapist then perhaps that

1433
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:51,850
might come through in their own hypnosis

1434
00:57:56,490 --> 00:57:54,130
and they of course they're going to

1435
00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:56,500
believe that that happened and that's

1436
00:58:02,370 --> 00:57:59,170
why I think that it's necessary to have

1437
00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:02,380
these thorough investigations and that

1438
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,460
we really need to door thorough analysis

1439
00:58:12,210 --> 00:58:09,760
of this and not investigation through

1440
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:12,220
hypnosis is it better than to

1441
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,380
concentrate on a few significant cases

1442
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:17,680
and kind of believe the others aside for

1443
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:20,320
the moment I believe that it is and I

1444
00:58:26,790 --> 00:58:23,290
have always believed that and that's why

1445
00:58:32,010 --> 00:58:26,800
although I'm a certified hypnotherapist

1446
00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:32,020
I don't do hypnosis hypnotic regressions

1447
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:36,280
on suspected abductees I have to say I

1448
00:58:43,950 --> 00:58:41,410
have done it in order to alleviate some

1449
00:58:47,370 --> 00:58:43,960
of the traumatic symptoms that some

1450
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:47,380
people have but not regression itself

1451
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:48,730
well let me ask you about regression

1452
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,350
obviously there's a bit of a controversy

1453
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:51,520
over that more than a bit of a

1454
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:53,770
controversy for example in the episode

1455
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,130
of the podcast last year we had dr.

1456
00:59:00,810 --> 00:58:58,960
Davey Jacobs Budd Hopkins and Kevin

1457
00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:00,820
Randleman Kevin Randall does not believe

1458
00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:03,160
in the value of hypnotic regression to

1459
00:59:08,259 --> 00:59:06,220
unearth lost memories at all so what do

1460
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:08,269
you say other

1461
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,140
what I can say is that based upon dr.

1462
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:15,960
Benjamin Symons statements about this

1463
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:19,170
and about my study of hypnosis which has

1464
00:59:30,190 --> 00:59:24,650
spanned about 20 years what people say

1465
00:59:34,009 --> 00:59:30,200
under hypnosis is not necessarily the

1466
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:34,019
entire truth it's what they believe to

1467
00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:38,130
be true and it may or may not be the

1468
00:59:45,229 --> 00:59:41,910
objective truth of the reality of what

1469
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:45,239
happened okay so in a case like that say

1470
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:48,569
someone has missing time okay they said

1471
00:59:53,209 --> 00:59:50,940
you know what I was on the road I saw a

1472
00:59:56,299 --> 00:59:53,219
flash of light in the sky not atypical

1473
00:59:58,219 --> 00:59:56,309
and then it's two hours later so how do

1474
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:58,229
you find out what happened during those

1475
01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:00,900
two hours in a way that accurately

1476
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,819
represents what they may or may not have

1477
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:04,559
perceived or maybe they had a blackout

1478
01:00:08,959 --> 01:00:06,809
how do you know I think that what you

1479
01:00:11,539 --> 01:00:08,969
have to do and ideally you're going to

1480
01:00:14,479 --> 01:00:11,549
have more than one individual who

1481
01:00:17,509 --> 01:00:14,489
experienced this and if you have two

1482
01:00:20,209 --> 01:00:17,519
individuals they have this missing time

1483
01:00:24,499 --> 01:00:20,219
they have amnesia then you can hypnotize

1484
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:24,509
them separately you can impose amnesia

1485
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:26,910
at the end of each session so that they

1486
01:00:31,789 --> 01:00:29,640
cannot communicate that information to

1487
01:00:33,259 --> 01:00:31,799
each other they can't even remember it

1488
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:33,269
and what you're saying by the way

1489
01:00:37,249 --> 01:00:35,130
Kathleen is that you will not remember

1490
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,259
this session is what that is correct you

1491
01:00:41,509 --> 01:00:39,119
won't remember what you said and

1492
01:00:44,329 --> 01:00:41,519
therefore you can't communicate that

1493
01:00:47,289 --> 01:00:44,339
information you can't contaminate the

1494
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,299
information with the other person and

1495
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:50,640
then you can do a comparative analysis

1496
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:54,319
of their statements under hypnosis to

1497
01:01:00,979 --> 01:00:58,049
determine whether or not these people

1498
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:00,989
are confabulating or if they're giving

1499
01:01:07,339 --> 01:01:04,559
the same detailed information who's

1500
01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:07,349
standing where when what they were

1501
01:01:12,739 --> 01:01:10,109
wearing you know all sorts of things

1502
01:01:16,759 --> 01:01:12,749
like that how many people were standing

1503
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:16,769
in this particular location and compare

1504
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:19,260
that Walter Webb did that

1505
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:22,350
and with the case that he worked on in

1506
01:01:27,620 --> 01:01:26,400
at Lake Champlain maybe before our

1507
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:27,630
listeners safe because we have a lot of

1508
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:28,740
new listeners since we joined the

1509
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:30,660
network and we're running out of time

1510
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:32,310
for this segment but maybe on the next

1511
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:34,650
segment tell us about the case at Walter

1512
01:01:39,350 --> 01:01:36,810
Webb investigators so we get more of a

1513
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:39,360
sense of what happened what went on and

1514
01:01:42,140 --> 01:01:40,740
our listeners can put this in

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perspective this way because you know

1516
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otherwise it's shoptalk and people don't

1517
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:45,990
realize it well I tell our listeners by

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01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:48,210
the way when we know about the guests in

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01:01:52,310 --> 01:01:50,460
advance we always have a place in the

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para cast forums for you to ask

1521
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:54,780
questions in the case of this convention

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01:01:59,480 --> 01:01:57,990
here well you know what it's not

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something that we can prepare for in

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advance we're getting the best really

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good guests that we can't kathleen

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martin joining us here on the podcast my

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co-host is Chris O'Brien who's now

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01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:03,360
joining us at this palatial Resort near

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01:07:07,550 --> 01:07:06,150
Scottsdale Arizona beautiful place we're

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01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:07,560
at a press room though we're locked into

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01:07:11,180 --> 01:07:09,660
a press room Chris O'Brien and I to

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01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:11,190
pursue this Kathleen Martin of course

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01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:13,980
was the co-author with Stan Friedman of

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01:07:19,010 --> 01:07:15,780
this really fascinating book called

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01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:19,020
captured referring of course to her Aunt

1644
01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:21,480
Betty Hill and the experiences I should

1645
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:23,190
tell our listeners I met betty hill a

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01:07:26,780 --> 01:07:25,110
couple of times I really liked her I

1647
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:26,790
thought she was really wonderful lady I

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:28,200
always thought of her as a grandmother

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01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:30,210
if I ever had a grandmother who was

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01:07:33,260 --> 01:07:31,050
still alive

1651
01:07:35,090 --> 01:07:33,270
Betty Hill would have really been the

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01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:35,100
candidate for the job not that she would

1653
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:36,510
have taken me of course you understand

1654
01:07:41,330 --> 01:07:39,480
that okay we're pursuing of course UFO

1655
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:41,340
abductions we have a certified

1656
01:07:45,350 --> 01:07:43,170
hypnotherapist here she's not a layman

1657
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:45,360
she knows what she's talking about and

1658
01:07:51,140 --> 01:07:48,690
now we have that episode really getting

1659
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:51,150
a lot of publicity involving dr. Davis

1660
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:54,450
Jacobs this woman from New Zealand and

1661
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:55,650
we're not going to mention her name

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01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:56,970
because the name is a fake it doesn't

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01:07:59,450 --> 01:07:57,810
matter what we call her

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01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:59,460
we call her Mary Smith it doesn't matter

1665
01:08:03,860 --> 01:08:01,500
except for listeners who names are

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01:08:06,110 --> 01:08:03,870
really Mary Smith okay she sent a lot of

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01:08:08,330 --> 01:08:06,120
material to Budd Hopkins dr. David

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01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:08,340
Jacobs Kathleen says she's gotten the

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01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:09,000
material

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:10,770
what are your insights about this

1671
01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:14,130
episode all I can tell you is that some

1672
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:17,910
time back she sent a massive amount of

1673
01:08:23,230 --> 01:08:21,930
information audio tapes recordings that

1674
01:08:26,539 --> 01:08:23,240
you could listen to on the computer

1675
01:08:29,599 --> 01:08:26,549
about her experiences with David Jacobs

1676
01:08:34,220 --> 01:08:29,609
she was filing a formal complaint but

1677
01:08:35,419 --> 01:08:34,230
she wanted widespread coverage of this

1678
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:35,429
and

1679
01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:38,650
immediately questioned her motivation in

1680
01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:41,350
doing this I was wondering if she

1681
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:43,589
actually wanted to come forward

1682
01:08:49,890 --> 01:08:46,739
eventually and to make a big splash

1683
01:08:53,099 --> 01:08:49,900
publicly about all of this so far she

1684
01:08:55,410 --> 01:08:53,109
hasn't revealed her true identity except

1685
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,420
though except though she's made herself

1686
01:08:59,550 --> 01:08:57,520
into a celebrity she has a website she's

1687
01:09:01,620 --> 01:08:59,560
written lots of letters she posts in

1688
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,630
message boards and matter-of-fact in our

1689
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,239
parent caste forums she posted not only

1690
01:09:08,189 --> 01:09:06,159
under her name but under an assumed name

1691
01:09:10,260 --> 01:09:08,199
supporting herself she's been on radio

1692
01:09:11,999 --> 01:09:10,270
she's written magazine articles she's

1693
01:09:15,329 --> 01:09:12,009
turned herself into a celebrity under a

1694
01:09:18,209 --> 01:09:15,339
fake name yes she has and I think you

1695
01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:18,219
have to become suspicious of anybody who

1696
01:09:24,300 --> 01:09:19,870
does that sort of thing

1697
01:09:26,459 --> 01:09:24,310
she also has a history of being in

1698
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:26,469
counseling with a psychotherapist for

1699
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:28,690
many years I wondered if perhaps she had

1700
01:09:33,390 --> 01:09:30,370
a personality disorder from my

1701
01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:33,400
background very good question and it is

1702
01:09:37,559 --> 01:09:35,139
a good question I think we have to

1703
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,569
wonder about that I also have to wonder

1704
01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:40,239
why her complaint against David Jacobs

1705
01:09:46,019 --> 01:09:43,089
was sort of rejected by Temple

1706
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:46,029
University so then she took it to the US

1707
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:47,880
Department of Health and Human Services

1708
01:09:54,330 --> 01:09:51,730
to me that's going pretty overboard

1709
01:09:57,930 --> 01:09:54,340
well her complaint here is that somehow

1710
01:09:59,640 --> 01:09:57,940
he abused her mentally by working with

1711
01:10:01,530 --> 01:09:59,650
her and the question I've had and I'm

1712
01:10:03,689 --> 01:10:01,540
not going to say that you know what

1713
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:03,699
really happened I wasn't there okay

1714
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:05,830
the question I have is you're calling

1715
01:10:09,450 --> 01:10:07,449
somebody from New Zealand to

1716
01:10:12,689 --> 01:10:09,460
Philadelphia and if you think that

1717
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:12,699
person isn't doing the job hang up the

1718
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,150
phone

1719
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:15,040
why couldn't she do that that's true she

1720
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:17,770
could have done that and I have concern

1721
01:10:21,919 --> 01:10:20,170
as a hypnotherapist because part of my

1722
01:10:23,939 --> 01:10:21,929
training and part of other

1723
01:10:27,959 --> 01:10:23,949
hypnotherapist training that I have

1724
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:27,969
talked to has been that you never do

1725
01:10:33,209 --> 01:10:30,670
hypnosis over the telephone that you

1726
01:10:35,700 --> 01:10:33,219
have to be there you have to see

1727
01:10:38,100 --> 01:10:35,710
people's facial expressions if a person

1728
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:38,110
has a traumatic experience you have to

1729
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:40,570
be there to comfort them I think of

1730
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,150
Barney Hill my uncle in hypnotherapy

1731
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:44,960
with dr. Benjamin

1732
01:10:51,940 --> 01:10:48,920
Simon where he relives such a traumatic

1733
01:10:55,150 --> 01:10:51,950
experience that he at one point got up

1734
01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:55,160
and he might have run if dr. Simon

1735
01:10:59,650 --> 01:10:57,260
wasn't there to stop him and he might

1736
01:11:02,500 --> 01:10:59,660
have gone through a window and onto the

1737
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:02,510
street below who knows but you have to

1738
01:11:08,140 --> 01:11:05,330
be there to protect the person that

1739
01:11:11,290 --> 01:11:08,150
you're working with and that is Mike

1740
01:11:13,150 --> 01:11:11,300
that's my only criticism I think a real

1741
01:11:15,790 --> 01:11:13,160
major error in judgment on non dr.

1742
01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:15,800
Jacobs pardon and getting back to your

1743
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:18,920
comments about Barney Hill the tape of

1744
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:21,410
that of one particular session that I'm

1745
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:23,600
aware of is one of the more compelling

1746
01:11:28,030 --> 01:11:26,420
pieces of evidence I think for the

1747
01:11:29,979 --> 01:11:28,040
abduction give the validity of in

1748
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:29,989
reality of the abduction phenomena that

1749
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:32,930
is explain that section yes he would

1750
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:34,910
have to be an Academy award-winning

1751
01:11:40,900 --> 01:11:38,450
actor to portray his experiences under

1752
01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:40,910
under hypnosis the way that he did it

1753
01:11:45,729 --> 01:11:43,790
came across so real to me it's always

1754
01:11:47,130 --> 01:11:45,739
it's always struck me as being a very

1755
01:11:50,050 --> 01:11:47,140
very important piece of evidence

1756
01:11:51,820 --> 01:11:50,060
supporting the validity of the abduction

1757
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:51,830
phenomenon well some people will say

1758
01:11:56,979 --> 01:11:54,590
that you can become traumatized when

1759
01:12:00,360 --> 01:11:56,989
you're confabulating information as well

1760
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:00,370
but I want to stress the fact that on

1761
01:12:08,020 --> 01:12:06,080
September 25th 1961 only five days after

1762
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:08,030
the encounter that happened in the very

1763
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:11,710
early morning hours of September 20th

1764
01:12:18,610 --> 01:12:15,710
1961 Betty wrote to major Donald Kehoe

1765
01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:18,620
and she talked about these figures that

1766
01:12:23,050 --> 01:12:20,600
Barney observed on board that craft

1767
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:23,060
being dressed in shiny black uniforms

1768
01:12:29,890 --> 01:12:26,630
and that he was terrified by this that

1769
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:29,900
he had run back to the car and stated to

1770
01:12:33,729 --> 01:12:31,489
Betty that he thought that they were

1771
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:33,739
going to be captured if they didn't get

1772
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:36,800
out of there only a month later he

1773
01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:40,820
stated to Walter Webb the original nycap

1774
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:43,660
investigator and I quote they were

1775
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:47,930
strangely not human and I think that

1776
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:50,480
that's something that we've overlooked

1777
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:53,150
in this investigation and not placed

1778
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:54,090
enough emphasis

1779
01:12:57,410 --> 01:12:56,100
son you know I wanted to ask you since

1780
01:12:58,730 --> 01:12:57,420
you mentioned Walter weapon we didn't

1781
01:12:59,360 --> 01:12:58,740
get back to it before we just touched

1782
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,370
upon it

1783
01:13:03,350 --> 01:13:01,440
the case that he was involved in that

1784
01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:03,360
you were about to summarize so let's

1785
01:13:09,170 --> 01:13:05,580
pick up on that yes the case he was

1786
01:13:12,860 --> 01:13:09,180
involved in is in his book encounter at

1787
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:12,870
Bath ledge he worked with two

1788
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:15,690
individuals the report was made years

1789
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:18,540
after their close encounter and a period

1790
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:21,630
of missing time they were counselors at

1791
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,050
a girls camp on Lake Champlain and

1792
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:27,600
Vermont she was a college student at

1793
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:30,450
Smith he was a teenage boy who was

1794
01:13:35,780 --> 01:13:33,330
taking care of the equipment down at the

1795
01:13:37,940 --> 01:13:35,790
dock most of the camp members were at a

1796
01:13:39,620 --> 01:13:37,950
swim meet and they were out on the dock

1797
01:13:42,140 --> 01:13:39,630
they didn't know each other very well

1798
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:42,150
this was the first chance they had to

1799
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:43,800
have a conversation as they were

1800
01:13:49,940 --> 01:13:46,590
standing on the dock early in the

1801
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:49,950
evening a mothership you might say

1802
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:51,930
that's the only way I can describe it

1803
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:55,320
came in and smaller craft flew out of

1804
01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:57,450
that larger craft the larger craft

1805
01:14:04,670 --> 01:14:01,260
disappeared in the sky two smaller craft

1806
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:04,680
went in opposite directions one came in

1807
01:14:11,180 --> 01:14:07,800
their direction it ascended vertically

1808
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:11,190
into the sky it came down it plunged

1809
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:14,400
into Lake Champlain it came back up and

1810
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:17,670
then it glided just above the top of the

1811
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:19,590
water in their direction

1812
01:14:25,940 --> 01:14:22,980
he had conscious recollection of

1813
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:25,950
observing non-human entities on board

1814
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:28,920
that craft they also had a period of

1815
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:31,410
missing time the next thing they knew

1816
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:34,290
the campers the children at this camp

1817
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:36,810
had returned from the swim meet there

1818
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:39,690
were witnesses who did observe the craft

1819
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:43,290
he came to Walter years later they had

1820
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:46,530
lost touch these two individuals the the

1821
01:14:50,690 --> 01:14:48,570
young woman and the young man had never

1822
01:14:53,870 --> 01:14:50,700
really had the opportunity to discuss

1823
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:53,880
what happened to them they found her

1824
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:56,400
years later she was working for a

1825
01:15:01,190 --> 01:14:58,380
college she was married to a medical

1826
01:15:04,370 --> 01:15:01,200
doctor had a couple of kids they finally

1827
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:04,380
found her and Walter Webb was able to

1828
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:06,170
have them hypnotized

1829
01:15:09,850 --> 01:15:08,030
separately we'll go into that in a

1830
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,860
moment we have Kathleen Martin the coast

1831
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:12,320
is Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg

1832
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you're in the para cast ray Perkins a

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reclusive veteran burned out from the

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perplexing nightmares nightmares of a

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horrific battle in deep space and of a

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mysterious woman suffering an agony for

1838
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her devastated world a woman not yet

1839
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born calling across centuries to him

1840
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01:19:52,379 --> 01:19:49,719
is Chris O'Brien I'm Jean Steinberg we

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01:19:55,770 --> 01:19:52,389
were in the para cast doing a on the

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01:19:58,290 --> 01:19:55,780
scene show our first full on the scene

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01:20:00,959 --> 01:19:58,300
shop Kathleen ok subjected to the

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01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:00,969
hypnotic treatment what happened yes

1950
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:03,280
they were hypnotized separately they had

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01:20:09,989 --> 01:20:06,550
no way of communicating the information

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01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:09,999
that they said under hypnosis and Walter

1953
01:20:15,089 --> 01:20:12,159
Webb did a comparative analysis of their

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01:20:17,459 --> 01:20:15,099
statements their statements before

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01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:17,469
hypnosis and their statements under

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01:20:23,839 --> 01:20:20,610
hypnosis and they had positively

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01:20:27,779 --> 01:20:23,849
correlating information I believe it was

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01:20:30,089 --> 01:20:27,789
65% which is highly significant I did

1959
01:20:32,459 --> 01:20:30,099
the same kind of comparative analysis on

1960
01:20:35,310 --> 01:20:32,469
Betty's and Barney's separate statements

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01:20:38,189 --> 01:20:35,320
under hypnosis with positively

1962
01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:38,199
correlating information that was not in

1963
01:20:44,669 --> 01:20:41,320
Betty's dream material and contradicted

1964
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:44,679
the theories of dreams that Betty had 10

1965
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:48,070
to 14 days after their close encounter

1966
01:20:52,799 --> 01:20:50,170
with the UFO and New Hampshire's White

1967
01:20:55,739 --> 01:20:52,809
Mountains Betty's and Barney's

1968
01:20:57,959 --> 01:20:55,749
statements lined up in terms of the

1969
01:21:01,140 --> 01:20:57,969
number of beings that approached their

1970
01:21:05,549 --> 01:21:01,150
car in the terms of the configuration

1971
01:21:08,429 --> 01:21:05,559
and contradicted statements that Betty

1972
01:21:10,679 --> 01:21:08,439
had made in her dream account this led

1973
01:21:12,089 --> 01:21:10,689
me to believe that Betty and Barney had

1974
01:21:14,549 --> 01:21:12,099
a real experience

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01:21:16,969 --> 01:21:14,559
what percentage of disagreement would to

1976
01:21:19,859 --> 01:21:16,979
normal human being subjected to a very

1977
01:21:21,299 --> 01:21:19,869
significant or traumatic event what

1978
01:21:23,549 --> 01:21:21,309
percentage of agreement and disagreement

1979
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:23,559
would you expect to see that's difficult

1980
01:21:28,770 --> 01:21:25,449
for me to state but if there's very

1981
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:28,780
little agreement particularly when when

1982
01:21:34,109 --> 01:21:31,840
you're asking the number of people who

1983
01:21:35,149 --> 01:21:34,119
are are ETS who are in a certain

1984
01:21:38,029 --> 01:21:35,159
location

1985
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:38,039
at a certain time and both of those

1986
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:42,090
statements line up verbatim then I think

1987
01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:45,090
that that is significant and certainly

1988
01:21:54,949 --> 01:21:50,780
over 50% in in the case of Janet and and

1989
01:21:57,140 --> 01:21:54,959
Michael and and well over that in the

1990
01:22:00,890 --> 01:21:57,150
case of Betty and Barney and in my

1991
01:22:05,029 --> 01:22:00,900
presentations I present that evidence

1992
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:05,039
and also my audience listens to the

1993
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:07,650
audio tapes of Betty's and Barney's

1994
01:22:14,299 --> 01:22:11,489
separate statements to confirm that I'm

1995
01:22:17,149 --> 01:22:14,309
not making this up that this is true

1996
01:22:19,459 --> 01:22:17,159
that this is real okay what is the

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01:22:22,339 --> 01:22:19,469
reality here now there are a couple of

1998
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:22,349
theories we can work on here one it's

1999
01:22:26,509 --> 01:22:24,360
what you see et is here they're doing

2000
01:22:28,339 --> 01:22:26,519
something to these people they are

2001
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,349
subjecting them to some kind of

2002
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:30,719
laboratory experiment in some cases

2003
01:22:35,179 --> 01:22:32,729
maybe some other kind of experiential

2004
01:22:37,069 --> 01:22:35,189
process and I think Jerry Clark holds an

2005
01:22:40,609 --> 01:22:37,079
opinion of that what's your point of

2006
01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:40,619
view I think that it runs the gamut I

2007
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:43,860
think that some people are being

2008
01:22:49,609 --> 01:22:46,610
abducted there's probably a longitudinal

2009
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:49,619
genetic study being done on some

2010
01:22:55,580 --> 01:22:52,289
individuals there are other people who I

2011
01:22:57,319 --> 01:22:55,590
think are having spiritual experiences

2012
01:23:00,620 --> 01:22:57,329
there are other people who might be

2013
01:23:03,140 --> 01:23:00,630
having psychological experiences and so

2014
01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:03,150
I think that it pretty much runs the

2015
01:23:08,179 --> 01:23:05,159
gamut but I think that there is a small

2016
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:08,189
percentage of the population who are

2017
01:23:14,779 --> 01:23:12,110
really being abducted by these non-human

2018
01:23:16,580 --> 01:23:14,789
entities who are coming here from

2019
01:23:18,259 --> 01:23:16,590
elsewhere okay so we're not talking

2020
01:23:20,899 --> 01:23:18,269
about millions and billions of

2021
01:23:23,689 --> 01:23:20,909
abductions related to UFOs or ET or

2022
01:23:27,020 --> 01:23:23,699
whatever as a scientific investigator I

2023
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:27,030
want to know if there is just one if

2024
01:23:32,299 --> 01:23:30,209
there's one that is significant I don't

2025
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:32,309
care about whether or not thousands of

2026
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:34,409
people have been abducted well this is

2027
01:23:38,209 --> 01:23:35,820
the big question one of the arguments a

2028
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:38,219
skeptic is gonna make is okay we

2029
01:23:42,630 --> 01:23:41,400
understand maybe ET comes here and they

2030
01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:42,640
want a sample the park

2031
01:23:46,260 --> 01:23:44,620
this okay they may consider as a

2032
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:46,270
primitive animals whatever we're gonna

2033
01:23:49,890 --> 01:23:47,710
find out what's going on for whatever

2034
01:23:52,380 --> 01:23:49,900
reason for motivation is that we can't

2035
01:23:55,740 --> 01:23:52,390
understand how often do you need to do

2036
01:23:57,630 --> 01:23:55,750
that and repeat that act before you know

2037
01:23:59,940 --> 01:23:57,640
you've had enough information shouldn't

2038
01:24:02,370 --> 01:23:59,950
there be only a small number or is this

2039
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:02,380
just the college exercise you know we

2040
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:06,580
cut them frogs humans well it seems to

2041
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:09,280
me that if it is a longitudinal study

2042
01:24:15,390 --> 01:24:11,550
then you have to do it across

2043
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:15,400
generations just as we do with mice and

2044
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,370
monkeys in the laboratory that's

2045
01:24:22,940 --> 01:24:20,800
important this reminds me of something

2046
01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:22,950
that I was told by a Native American

2047
01:24:30,270 --> 01:24:26,860
medicine man in training lifelong

2048
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,280
training with his grandfather and we

2049
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:31,600
talked about quite a number of things

2050
01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:32,890
one of the things that came up during

2051
01:24:36,090 --> 01:24:34,420
the conversation which is about a

2052
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:36,100
six-hour conversation was the whole

2053
01:24:40,620 --> 01:24:38,830
subject of abductions and he said you

2054
01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:40,630
know I asked him what what do Native

2055
01:24:44,340 --> 01:24:42,070
Americans at least in your particular

2056
01:24:47,460 --> 01:24:44,350
patchy tribe think is going on in this

2057
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:47,470
in this particular mystery and his

2058
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:50,490
response was very I think very revealing

2059
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:54,250
at least in my mind and he said Chris

2060
01:24:59,580 --> 01:24:56,950
what people don't get is they're not

2061
01:25:02,550 --> 01:24:59,590
being taken out of their rooms and being

2062
01:25:05,340 --> 01:25:02,560
taken up to a ship the ship actually

2063
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:05,350
forms around them and I've never heard

2064
01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:07,810
anybody actually put it that way but I

2065
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:10,150
think getting back to trying to

2066
01:25:15,900 --> 01:25:13,210
differentiate between different styles

2067
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:15,910
that we find in this particular mystery

2068
01:25:19,980 --> 01:25:18,550
that one is one that you don't hear much

2069
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:19,990
that there may be some sort of

2070
01:25:24,930 --> 01:25:23,530
paranormal almost metaphysical process

2071
01:25:27,630 --> 01:25:24,940
going on here as opposed to a

2072
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:27,640
nuts-and-bolts taking you up through the

2073
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:30,310
air into a ship doing an experiment and

2074
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:32,470
then returning you down I found that

2075
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:34,090
very revealing what do you think of that

2076
01:25:41,010 --> 01:25:37,360
I have become interested recently in the

2077
01:25:45,330 --> 01:25:41,020
paranormal aspects of alien abduction

2078
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:45,340
because so many suspected abductors have

2079
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,170
reported to me that they

2080
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:50,480
have had paranormal experiences in their

2081
01:25:55,930 --> 01:25:54,050
homes light orbs there have been there's

2082
01:25:59,140 --> 01:25:55,940
been what appears to be poltergeist

2083
01:26:02,230 --> 01:25:59,150
activity and often this occurred after

2084
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:02,240
the abduction but not before the

2085
01:26:08,590 --> 01:26:05,290
abduction so I'm just beginning to

2086
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:08,600
investigate this aspect of alien

2087
01:26:14,770 --> 01:26:11,750
abduction so I can't speak as someone

2088
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:14,780
who is well-versed in this all I can

2089
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,450
state is that anything is possible

2090
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:19,520
would you consider the possibility that

2091
01:26:24,460 --> 01:26:22,010
maybe the entire abduction experience is

2092
01:26:27,940 --> 01:26:24,470
like well the holographic deck on Star

2093
01:26:29,850 --> 01:26:27,950
Trek where it's generated for them it

2094
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:29,860
could be physical to them they could see

2095
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:33,500
hear feel touch etc but it's not real

2096
01:26:39,490 --> 01:26:37,040
and the objective sense well to me that

2097
01:26:42,940 --> 01:26:39,500
perhaps that is true in in some cases

2098
01:26:44,890 --> 01:26:42,950
but I do think that it was real in an

2099
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:44,900
objective sense for Betty and Barney

2100
01:26:52,350 --> 01:26:48,650
Hill that this was three-dimensional

2101
01:26:56,650 --> 01:26:52,360
mechanical craft and that these were

2102
01:26:58,750 --> 01:26:56,660
real entities that they had substance

2103
01:27:02,350 --> 01:26:58,760
they had bodies they were living they

2104
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:02,360
were breathing Chris well yeah and I

2105
01:27:07,660 --> 01:27:05,510
think one thing that comes through I

2106
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:07,670
think you know in loud and clear for me

2107
01:27:13,900 --> 01:27:10,850
is there's a really an attempt and Kathy

2108
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:13,910
and I really appreciate your your candle

2109
01:27:16,900 --> 01:27:15,530
in this regard there's a there's an

2110
01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:16,910
attempt I think out there in the

2111
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:18,860
abduction field to try to come up with a

2112
01:27:23,950 --> 01:27:21,760
one-size-fits-all answer to this and I

2113
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:23,960
personally feel that there's too much

2114
01:27:29,890 --> 01:27:26,750
contrary evidence to suggest that there

2115
01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:29,900
is a single explanation for this

2116
01:27:35,230 --> 01:27:32,630
particular mystery and I do have a sense

2117
01:27:36,730 --> 01:27:35,240
and I think you as well are starting to

2118
01:27:39,370 --> 01:27:36,740
have a sense as well that there may be

2119
01:27:42,690 --> 01:27:39,380
something more going on than just a

2120
01:27:46,570 --> 01:27:42,700
single one-size-fits-all explanation

2121
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,580
absolutely I whenever someone tells me

2122
01:27:50,710 --> 01:27:49,040
that they have all of the answers I

2123
01:27:52,930 --> 01:27:50,720
becomes

2124
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:52,940
I you know this is a learning process

2125
01:27:59,220 --> 01:27:57,050
for all of us researchers and I

2126
01:28:02,170 --> 01:27:59,230
certainly don't have all of the answers

2127
01:28:06,490 --> 01:28:02,180
yeah but I love your insight well thank

2128
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:06,500
you okay let me go back to one thing

2129
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:07,850
here very briefly and we'll get on to

2130
01:28:10,780 --> 01:28:09,830
other subjects in our final segment here

2131
01:28:14,170 --> 01:28:10,790
okay

2132
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:14,180
the person that dr. Jacobs has a problem

2133
01:28:20,050 --> 01:28:18,110
with now is this gonna follow him for

2134
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:20,060
the rest of his life how does he come

2135
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:22,130
back the situation and other than just

2136
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:25,520
taking the person on which I have said

2137
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,410
was a bad idea I gave him I said I

2138
01:28:32,770 --> 01:28:28,880
should give you a slap in the face for

2139
01:28:35,380 --> 01:28:32,780
that what does he do to resolve the

2140
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:35,390
situation can it ever be resolved can we

2141
01:28:39,130 --> 01:28:37,010
figure out actually what happened to

2142
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:39,140
this woman and whether she really had

2143
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,510
some real experiences there and maybe it

2144
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:43,280
made her go off the deep end maybe

2145
01:28:47,770 --> 01:28:44,690
that's part of the problem we don't know

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we're talking to Kathleen Martin she's

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co-author of a couple of books with

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Stanton Friedman one of which was

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captured which of course relates to the

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case of Benny and Barney Hill and she

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knows more about the Betty and Barney

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Hill case probably than most anyone else

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around now because of her participation

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the family and everything else in her

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Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

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okay so I posed the question here a

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multi-faceted question pursuing that

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person who David Jacobs is having a

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problem with what is your reaction if we

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want to do an investigation of her case

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then we have to allocate the funding for

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psychological testing for personality

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profile testing to see if she actually

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does have a personality disorder that

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might cost a lot to get to the bottom of

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that one and it certainly would cost a

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lot of money to get to the bottom of

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that one I really don't have an answer

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on how this can be resolved if it's

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going to be resolved legally I don't

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know I think it was gonna be a lawsuit

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and they brought in and all that stuff

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she's done it would be laughed out of

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any courtroom in the world goodbye kaput

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it's not gonna work there's nothing even

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if we can say and I don't know I can't I

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doubt that dr. David Jacobs was in over

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his head he didn't handle this properly

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I certainly think hypnotizing somebody I

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was 12,000 miles away over the telephone

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he didn't handle it properly no matter

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what you can't sue him for that no no

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and I I believe that she signed a

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contract stating that he was not liable

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no that really I believe so I did I did

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see his contract I asked him two or

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three years ago when we were together

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and he either showed me the contract or

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he told me about the contract and I

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don't think that he has legal liability

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did you know that you know if my

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marriage

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and I forgot you know it doesn't matter

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of my age of course you know the gray

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matter disappears okay so dr. Jacobs

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let's move to one thing about it the

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fact that he believes that the aliens

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are here to create a hybrid race okay is

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that something you're seeing any

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indication of in your investigation

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01:36:02,120 --> 01:35:57,780
certainly some of the people that I work

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with believe that that is going on it's

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all hearsay it's information that's been

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recovered through hypnotic regression

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and I don't have an opinion it's sort of

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this Stan Freedman would say it's in my

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grade basket I don't know okay how then

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do we really get to the bottom of this

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let's look at the next six or seven

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minutes here we have left let's figure a

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way to investigate this phenomenon and

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understand what's going on because right

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now of course as we see in the UFO field

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we have people shouting at each other

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which does nothing that's typical of the

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01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:36,749
UFO field we have people trying to

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understand but have we learned that much

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01:36:47,810 --> 01:36:43,679
after the Betty and Barney Hill case

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what insights have come I think that in

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terms of investigation is that what

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you're asking sure what will you learn

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after that experience in subsequent

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01:37:00,379 --> 01:36:57,210
cases what can we do to move to the next

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01:37:05,089 --> 01:37:00,389
level well first of all funding has to

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be allocated and that is the key to

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being able to do a good investigation we

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need to look in my opinion at the

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physical evidence we need to be there

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immediately

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we need to collect the forensic evidence

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if any of that can be examined in a

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scientific laboratory that has to be

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done I believe it's very important to do

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01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:30,510
psychological testing on these

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individuals to do personality profiles

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01:37:39,649 --> 01:37:35,940
on them I think that if there are

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multiple witnesses then it's valid for

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us to do lie-detector testing not for

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01:37:47,030 --> 01:37:45,180
just one individual because that

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01:37:49,850 --> 01:37:47,040
shows whether or not that person

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believes it happened but if there are

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multiple witnesses then I think that

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01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,810
that would be valid evidence also if

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there are multiple witnesses perhaps

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01:38:08,150 --> 01:38:03,300
there could be hypnotic regression by a

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qualified clinical hypnotherapist and of

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01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:10,500
course amnesia would be imposed at the

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end so that they could not contaminate

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01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:16,860
each other's evidence right well what is

2361
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:18,210
sounds like you're saying is we need a

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01:38:22,610 --> 01:38:20,520
standardized approach for this which is

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01:38:25,310 --> 01:38:22,620
kind of how science is supposed to work

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01:38:27,740 --> 01:38:25,320
absolutely that's exactly what I'm

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01:38:30,380 --> 01:38:27,750
stating and I have been attempting to

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01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:30,390
develop some protocols for this all

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01:38:36,290 --> 01:38:33,420
right I think we need that because right

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01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:36,300
now the way the UFO field is it's a mess

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01:38:40,940 --> 01:38:38,250
we have people who are in way over their

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01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:40,950
heads doing things they are not trained

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01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:45,450
to do and they may be dedicated and well

2372
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:48,810
intentioned yes sure but it's not

2373
01:38:56,300 --> 01:38:50,610
happening now okay

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01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:56,310
today in the UFO field 2011 how many

2375
01:39:00,920 --> 01:38:57,840
people around the world are even

2376
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:00,930
involved in abduction research will have

2377
01:39:05,150 --> 01:39:03,330
any credentials at all to do this sort

2378
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:05,160
of thing well I certainly think that

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01:39:12,260 --> 01:39:08,010
through the u.s. of the mutual UFO

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01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:12,270
network there are trained investigators

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01:39:18,860 --> 01:39:16,050
and there are trained consultants that

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01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:18,870
they can consult with there is the star

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01:39:22,700 --> 01:39:21,290
team who can go to a location

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01:39:25,670 --> 01:39:22,710
immediately

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01:39:27,980 --> 01:39:25,680
after the abduction occurs if it's

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01:39:31,090 --> 01:39:27,990
something where there for example

2387
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:31,100
somebody's driving down the street and

2388
01:39:36,830 --> 01:39:33,930
they have a close encounter with a craft

2389
01:39:39,530 --> 01:39:36,840
perhaps they observed nor non-human

2390
01:39:41,780 --> 01:39:39,540
entities on board the craft and then

2391
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:41,790
they experience this period of missing

2392
01:39:46,490 --> 01:39:44,820
time of lost time and amnesia it's

2393
01:39:49,100 --> 01:39:46,500
extremely difficult when you have

2394
01:39:51,770 --> 01:39:49,110
bedroom abductions these nocturnal

2395
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:51,780
bedroom abductions with little or no

2396
01:39:56,879 --> 01:39:54,930
evidence so you you know you have to

2397
01:40:00,570 --> 01:39:56,889
have a case in which there is

2398
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:00,580
evidence to begin with and MUFON is a

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01:40:06,030 --> 01:40:03,210
perfect organization I believe to go to

2400
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:06,040
because they're a knowledgeable people

2401
01:40:11,459 --> 01:40:09,310
and there are consultants that they can

2402
01:40:14,459 --> 01:40:11,469
work with I asked this question because

2403
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:14,469
of recent developments okay the shake-up

2404
01:40:18,930 --> 01:40:17,290
and MUFON leadership the complaints of

2405
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:18,940
the former international director James

2406
01:40:21,899 --> 01:40:19,690
carrion

2407
01:40:24,209 --> 01:40:21,909
what's your reaction about that I'm very

2408
01:40:26,459 --> 01:40:24,219
concerned about all of this and I have

2409
01:40:29,820 --> 01:40:26,469
been for some time I served on the

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01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:29,830
mouflon board for ten years as the

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01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:31,330
international director of field

2412
01:40:38,340 --> 01:40:33,880
investigator training the members of the

2413
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:38,350
board that I served with have been very

2414
01:40:45,540 --> 01:40:42,159
dedicated individuals I've trusted them

2415
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:45,550
I've worked with them I have seen no

2416
01:40:51,870 --> 01:40:48,010
evidence that they were doing anything

2417
01:40:56,540 --> 01:40:51,880
underhanded I think that there's being a

2418
01:40:59,300 --> 01:40:56,550
lot of disinformation and misinformation

2419
01:41:03,689 --> 01:40:59,310
disseminated about MUFON right now I'm

2420
01:41:06,660 --> 01:41:03,699
very concerned about it I would go with

2421
01:41:09,540 --> 01:41:06,670
the statements of Clifford Clift and the

2422
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:09,550
MUFON Borg I know them I have worked

2423
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:12,610
with them for a long period of time and

2424
01:41:17,850 --> 01:41:15,250
I trust that they are doing the best

2425
01:41:19,410 --> 01:41:17,860
thing for the mutual UFO network I have

2426
01:41:21,930 --> 01:41:19,420
to mention one thing we had James

2427
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:21,940
carrion on the show criticizing MUFON

2428
01:41:27,390 --> 01:41:24,639
and since then he will not accept my

2429
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:27,400
email okay I don't understand why

2430
01:41:31,020 --> 01:41:29,290
because I think we treated him fairly as

2431
01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:31,030
we do with all our guests so in fact we

2432
01:41:35,399 --> 01:41:33,100
were chastised for not jumping on him a

2433
01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:35,409
little harder but well I kind of gave

2434
01:41:38,939 --> 01:41:36,790
him a few zingers but I don't think he

2435
01:41:41,700 --> 01:41:38,949
liked it because he put me on his block

2436
01:41:44,669 --> 01:41:41,710
list for email so now every time I've

2437
01:41:51,810 --> 01:41:44,679
written to him with a follow-up it sent

2438
01:41:54,660 --> 01:41:51,820
back how do you handle that I didn't

2439
01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:54,670
know he was blocking you yes out of

2440
01:41:58,439 --> 01:41:56,110
sight I'll do it right now I'll write

2441
01:42:00,990 --> 01:41:58,449
him a letter right now after this

2442
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,000
interview was done and let's see what

2443
01:42:05,609 --> 01:42:03,280
happens to it because I invited him on

2444
01:42:07,260 --> 01:42:05,619
the show and you did too to participate

2445
01:42:07,900 --> 01:42:07,270
our forms answer questions from our

2446
01:42:10,180 --> 01:42:07,910
listeners

2447
01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:10,190
nah not gonna happen no I'm Kathleen

2448
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:11,630
you're invited too by the way

2449
01:42:14,770 --> 01:42:13,280
to answer questions from our listeners

2450
01:42:16,630 --> 01:42:14,780
I'm serious because I think it's a

2451
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:16,640
friendly place love it when when our

2452
01:42:21,190 --> 01:42:19,250
guests come on and they can share share

2453
01:42:23,050 --> 01:42:21,200
of a back and forth dialogue they love

2454
01:42:25,150 --> 01:42:23,060
that right we have people from Nara cap

2455
01:42:26,650 --> 01:42:25,160
coming on we've had Nick Redfern coming

2456
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:26,660
on we have this guy Chris O'Brien he

2457
01:42:30,670 --> 01:42:28,250
comes on occasionally I don't know who

2458
01:42:34,570 --> 01:42:30,680
he is but he he comes in kind of invades

2459
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:34,580
the turf and he posts a few things but

2460
01:42:39,460 --> 01:42:36,800
you know I'm serious I think it's a very

2461
01:42:41,050 --> 01:42:39,470
sensible discussion and we have a real

2462
01:42:42,910 --> 01:42:41,060
Terms of Service that people really get

2463
01:42:45,820 --> 01:42:42,920
crazy we won't let them up

2464
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:45,830
Kathleen Martin tell our listeners what

2465
01:42:49,660 --> 01:42:47,840
you up to in the next few months where

2466
01:42:52,540 --> 01:42:49,670
they can find more of the things that

2467
01:43:00,160 --> 01:42:52,550
you do okay you can go to my website

2468
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:00,170
triple W Kathleen ka th l ee n - Martin

2469
01:43:08,710 --> 01:43:05,930
ma r de ENCOM I have recently updated my

2470
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:08,720
site you can read about me you can read

2471
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:13,010
about my work my scheduled lectures and

2472
01:43:19,540 --> 01:43:16,010
events I've posted several articles that

2473
01:43:22,420 --> 01:43:19,550
I've written I even have a guide a

2474
01:43:25,090 --> 01:43:22,430
tourist guide so if you are going to the

2475
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:25,100
White Mountains of New Hampshire and you

2476
01:43:30,670 --> 01:43:28,130
want to travel along Betty and Barney

2477
01:43:33,780 --> 01:43:30,680
Hills close encounter route you can go

2478
01:43:37,060 --> 01:43:33,790
there I have a guide for you to follow

2479
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:37,070
for your self-guided tour this is a very

2480
01:43:43,090 --> 01:43:40,400
exciting year from me because this is

2481
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:43,100
the 50th anniversary of Betty and

2482
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,130
Barney's UFO experience I've just been

2483
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:48,080
contacted by the state of New Hampshire

2484
01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:51,530
and there is going to be a historical

2485
01:43:57,460 --> 01:43:55,000
marker erected and a celebration

2486
01:43:59,860 --> 01:43:57,470
fascinating that is interesting

2487
01:44:01,930 --> 01:43:59,870
Kathleen Martin thank you so much for

2488
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:01,940
joining us this week on the para cast it

2489
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:03,650
was my pleasure to be with you thanks

2490
01:44:12,380 --> 01:44:09,700
[Music]

2491
01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:12,390
hi this is Ted Anderson if you own an

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01:44:16,610 --> 01:44:14,340
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2504
01:44:42,590 --> 01:44:41,370
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2505
01:44:44,420 --> 01:44:42,600
have you ever wondered why banks

2506
01:44:46,190 --> 01:44:44,430
stockbrokers investment advisors won't

2507
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:46,200
talk about gold IRAs they've been

2508
01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:48,570
available since 1986 yet the financial

2509
01:44:52,340 --> 01:44:50,280
industry won't recognize the value of

2510
01:44:54,890 --> 01:44:52,350
gold 4e retirement gold has outperformed

2511
01:44:56,690 --> 01:44:54,900
paper investments yet no word about IRAs

2512
01:45:24,450 --> 01:44:56,700
if you would like to have gold for your

2513
01:45:28,740 --> 01:45:25,730
[Music]

2514
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:28,750
so Chris O'Brien somebody said that you

2515
01:45:35,370 --> 01:45:30,970
look like a shadow man would you explain

2516
01:45:38,490 --> 01:45:35,380
that well I had Native American I was

2517
01:45:41,100 --> 01:45:38,500
walking actually down to the casino to

2518
01:45:42,690 --> 01:45:41,110
the sushi bar and I had was in full

2519
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:42,700
regalia you had my black hat on him I

2520
01:45:47,100 --> 01:45:44,650
bolo and the old deal and he goes haha

2521
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:47,110
Pathfinder but I guess I'm a shadow man

2522
01:45:52,230 --> 01:45:50,170
Pathfinder I'm kind of just all in white

2523
01:45:54,060 --> 01:45:52,240
except the black hat Chris O'Brien on

2524
01:45:56,250 --> 01:45:54,070
the power cast this week you and I are

2525
01:45:59,220 --> 01:45:56,260
on location at the International UFO

2526
01:46:01,140 --> 01:45:59,230
Congress on sacred Indian ground just

2527
01:46:03,420 --> 01:46:01,150
outside of Fountain Hills Arizona which

2528
01:46:06,180 --> 01:46:03,430
is near Scottsdale Arizona so it's been

2529
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:06,190
a pretty exciting venture here because

2530
01:46:10,770 --> 01:46:08,290
crowds are really good I'm surprised I

2531
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:10,780
wonder that if people can still after

2532
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:14,170
all these years attend UFO conferences

2533
01:46:18,930 --> 01:46:16,000
in fairly decent numbers

2534
01:46:21,390 --> 01:46:18,940
I am absolutely amazed the the open

2535
01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:21,400
minds organization did a really good job

2536
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:23,620
this is one of the best conferences I

2537
01:46:33,570 --> 01:46:29,770
have ever been to you're listening to

2538
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:33,580
the wrong show this is the robert scott

2539
01:46:48,810 --> 01:46:40,260
of course the old saying goes is darkest

2540
01:46:50,459 --> 01:46:48,820
before the dawn and I was doing a really

2541
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:50,469
good job this is one of the best

2542
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:55,090
conferences I've ever been so you know

2543
01:46:59,399 --> 01:46:57,130
this is great for me this is this is

2544
01:47:02,609 --> 01:46:59,409
great me any interesting characters

2545
01:47:05,220 --> 01:47:02,619
during your wandering of the halls and

2546
01:47:06,839 --> 01:47:05,230
byways and highways everybody here is an

2547
01:47:07,939 --> 01:47:06,849
interesting character everybody has a

2548
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:07,949
story

2549
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:11,199
unfortunately this 80 year old woman

2550
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:13,690
came out of the woodwork was right next

2551
01:47:15,899 --> 01:47:14,170
to me

2552
01:47:17,819 --> 01:47:15,909
and she didn't know what she was getting

2553
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:17,829
herself into she had an incredible

2554
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,570
experience two weeks before the Phoenix

2555
01:47:24,029 --> 01:47:21,280
lights event she was out in the desert

2556
01:47:25,890 --> 01:47:24,039
she had this huge thing fly over her she

2557
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:25,900
said if I live to be 80 I'm gonna come

2558
01:47:32,189 --> 01:47:28,570
out and tell the world about it and boy

2559
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:32,199
she she she was not ready for the kind

2560
01:47:36,330 --> 01:47:33,610
of attention that she was getting I

2561
01:47:38,580 --> 01:47:36,340
introduced her to linkit I she's

2562
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,590
networked and she unfortunately she had

2563
01:47:44,180 --> 01:47:40,480
to leave yesterday and so what moves

2564
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:44,190
into her table the alien ChaCha people I

2565
01:47:49,799 --> 01:47:47,679
am now inundated with the sound of alien

2566
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:49,809
lighters that blink and scream and

2567
01:47:57,959 --> 01:47:54,489
candles and alien multisite I broke out

2568
01:47:59,879 --> 01:47:57,969
in a paranormal rash I can't find it it

2569
01:48:02,220 --> 01:47:59,889
keeps moving I'm trying to edge it and I

2570
01:48:05,490 --> 01:48:02,230
can't I can't find it gene well you know

2571
01:48:07,229 --> 01:48:05,500
speaking of paranormal ashes as some of

2572
01:48:08,700 --> 01:48:07,239
our listeners know for the past few

2573
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:08,710
months I've suffered from an ailment

2574
01:48:15,569 --> 01:48:13,090
that I call the creeping rot thanks for

2575
01:48:17,549 --> 01:48:15,579
sharing that no no it was you know

2576
01:48:18,540 --> 01:48:17,559
rashes all over the body and sores and

2577
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:18,550
everything it turned out to be a

2578
01:48:23,459 --> 01:48:21,730
perfectly normal artifact of the dry

2579
01:48:25,979 --> 01:48:23,469
climate look at least you can find yours

2580
01:48:26,939 --> 01:48:25,989
I can't find mine it keeps moving it's

2581
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:26,949
paranormal

2582
01:48:34,250 --> 01:48:30,250
you have the power normal creeping rot

2583
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:34,260
[Laughter]

2584
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:37,810
this is not a good lead

2585
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:41,930
I'm following creeping rot you're gonna

2586
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:44,570
be the selves that the news that that

2587
01:48:50,290 --> 01:48:47,810
takes care of the hitches and uses even

2588
01:48:51,610 --> 01:48:50,300
better an asteroidal cream right which

2589
01:48:54,070 --> 01:48:51,620
is what I'm taking I'm worried about the

2590
01:48:55,930 --> 01:48:54,080
side effects tell us about a guest for

2591
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:55,940
the final hour of this week's episode of

2592
01:49:01,330 --> 01:48:58,130
the podcast Chris O'Brien there are a

2593
01:49:04,330 --> 01:49:01,340
few authors as prolific in this realm as

2594
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:04,340
our guest Rose may ellen guiley i am

2595
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:06,890
have been a huge fan for years this has

2596
01:49:10,780 --> 01:49:08,570
been such a pleasure for me to finally

2597
01:49:13,810 --> 01:49:10,790
meet you you know I can't say enough

2598
01:49:17,410 --> 01:49:13,820
about your work you are a true

2599
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:17,420
inspiration for people like myself you

2600
01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:19,730
are very level-headed you're very

2601
01:49:23,170 --> 01:49:21,590
objective you go out in the field you do

2602
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:23,180
the heavy lifting you do the work and

2603
01:49:26,980 --> 01:49:25,250
you're an incredibly talented gifted

2604
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:26,990
writer and it's such a pleasure to have

2605
01:49:30,430 --> 01:49:28,490
you on the show we're gonna have you

2606
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:30,440
back with your co-author Phil and brog

2607
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,570
know to talk about your new book on the

2608
01:49:36,670 --> 01:49:34,400
gin for a kind of entire two-hour

2609
01:49:39,340 --> 01:49:36,680
episode on the podcast which I can't

2610
01:49:41,530 --> 01:49:39,350
wait for thank you very much Chris and

2611
01:49:44,020 --> 01:49:41,540
it's very complimentary of you I've been

2612
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:44,030
admirer of your work too because you get

2613
01:49:49,420 --> 01:49:46,210
out and dig up some really incredible

2614
01:49:52,150 --> 01:49:49,430
facts and information and it takes a lot

2615
01:49:54,190 --> 01:49:52,160
of dedication and hard work to do that

2616
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:54,200
there are a lot of researchers in this

2617
01:49:58,150 --> 01:49:56,330
field who just want to sit back and skim

2618
01:50:01,240 --> 01:49:58,160
off the easy stuff and you don't do that

2619
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:01,250
thank you on your website under your

2620
01:50:08,890 --> 01:50:03,970
name the subtitle at the crossroads of

2621
01:50:11,410 --> 01:50:08,900
time-space and infinity okay tell us

2622
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:11,420
what that means to you it's a reflection

2623
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:14,930
of the focus of my work I am a believer

2624
01:50:21,190 --> 01:50:18,320
in the paranormal in other dimensional

2625
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:21,200
realities and contact experiences I'm

2626
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:23,810
not out to prove that they exist I know

2627
01:50:28,270 --> 01:50:25,850
they exist I'm looking for the how and

2628
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:28,280
why and that transcends space and time

2629
01:50:32,380 --> 01:50:30,050
and it really puts our minds out into

2630
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,390
the edges of infinity you have to expand

2631
01:50:37,570 --> 01:50:34,880
your consciousness to truly grasp the

2632
01:50:40,210 --> 01:50:37,580
truth of what we are encountering with

2633
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,220
these interdimensional experiences this

2634
01:50:44,890 --> 01:50:42,080
has been a lifelong interest of mine

2635
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:44,900
it's not just focused on one area I'm

2636
01:50:51,540 --> 01:50:47,770
not just into ghosts or UFOs or Bigfoot

2637
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:51,550
or any particular narrow field in fact I

2638
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:53,410
think too many researchers have tunnel

2639
01:50:58,320 --> 01:50:55,810
vision I'm interested in everything and

2640
01:51:01,050 --> 01:50:58,330
the interconnections of that the how and

2641
01:51:04,410 --> 01:51:01,060
why of experiences and what we're doing

2642
01:51:06,990 --> 01:51:04,420
with that information how we're

2643
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:07,000
integrating our experiences into our

2644
01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:08,890
worldview and how that's changing our

2645
01:51:13,410 --> 01:51:11,260
consciousness now it's very common in

2646
01:51:16,710 --> 01:51:13,420
these areas fields that compartmentalize

2647
01:51:19,290 --> 01:51:16,720
the work that you do so for example UFOs

2648
01:51:22,050 --> 01:51:19,300
at CT but ghosts may be that spirits of

2649
01:51:23,580 --> 01:51:22,060
the dead or something else or Bigfoot or

2650
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:23,590
maybe some kind of missing link or a

2651
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:25,570
lost race they're not necessarily

2652
01:51:30,810 --> 01:51:28,840
connected so where do you see if any

2653
01:51:33,330 --> 01:51:30,820
where some kind of synergy amongst all

2654
01:51:35,370 --> 01:51:33,340
these events I think that most of our

2655
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:35,380
experiences are interdimensional for

2656
01:51:40,230 --> 01:51:37,810
example while most Bigfoot reach

2657
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:40,240
researchers are looking for an ape-like

2658
01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:42,880
creature who would be considered a lost

2659
01:51:47,340 --> 01:51:45,430
race I think Bigfoot is interdimensional

2660
01:51:49,890 --> 01:51:47,350
what we would call or what John keel

2661
01:51:51,390 --> 01:51:49,900
called the ultra terrestrial a being who

2662
01:51:54,330 --> 01:51:51,400
lives in its own right in another

2663
01:51:56,460 --> 01:51:54,340
dimension and for various reasons which

2664
01:51:59,070 --> 01:51:56,470
may be deliberate or accidental or both

2665
01:52:01,610 --> 01:51:59,080
finds its way into our dimension and we

2666
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:01,620
have these these experiences our

2667
01:52:07,710 --> 01:52:06,010
perceptions may be limited by the

2668
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:07,720
information that we can accommodate in

2669
01:52:12,930 --> 01:52:09,370
other words are we seeing these entities

2670
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:12,940
in their true form or is our brain sort

2671
01:52:19,170 --> 01:52:16,930
of massaging what our senses perceive

2672
01:52:22,980 --> 01:52:19,180
into something that we can understand

2673
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:22,990
and I discovered early on in my work and

2674
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mainly because I'm a very curious girl

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and I'd like to know everything I can

2676
01:52:32,220 --> 01:52:29,170
about everything but I discovered very

2677
01:52:34,890 --> 01:52:32,230
early in my work that there were bleed

2678
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:34,900
throughs from one area to another and if

2679
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:36,970
you research the mythology the folklore

2680
01:52:41,580 --> 01:52:39,520
the anecdotal experiences and even what

2681
01:52:43,980 --> 01:52:41,590
science has attempted to say about some

2682
01:52:46,350 --> 01:52:43,990
of these things you find many many

2683
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:46,360
overlaps over the years you find

2684
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:48,190
different labels on the same what I call

2685
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:50,410
core experiences human beings have had

2686
01:52:55,890 --> 01:52:53,530
core experiences with interdimensional

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01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,900
entities since we've recorded our

2688
01:53:00,250 --> 01:52:58,639
encounters since ancient times

2689
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:00,260
sounds silly but when you're talking

2690
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:02,090
about this and our interaction with

2691
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:04,610
another dimension I think of the British

2692
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:07,130
TV series primeval where they have these

2693
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:10,249
anomalies and creatures and people come

2694
01:53:14,799 --> 01:53:12,169
through these anomalies which appear and

2695
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:14,809
disappear at random times so we

2696
01:53:18,339 --> 01:53:16,130
understand that's just a work of

2697
01:53:19,779 --> 01:53:18,349
science-fiction on television but from

2698
01:53:21,759 --> 01:53:19,789
what I'm hearing from you

2699
01:53:23,770 --> 01:53:21,769
this sounds like there's a reality

2700
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:23,780
behind all this I think there is a

2701
01:53:28,060 --> 01:53:26,239
reality behind it gene and actually

2702
01:53:31,899 --> 01:53:28,070
science fiction is always on the cutting

2703
01:53:33,549 --> 01:53:31,909
edge of the truth that's out there there

2704
01:53:37,060 --> 01:53:33,559
visionnaire the piatt science fiction

2705
01:53:40,089 --> 01:53:37,070
people are visionaries but I discovered

2706
01:53:42,399 --> 01:53:40,099
in researching these narrow focused

2707
01:53:44,049 --> 01:53:42,409
areas that I you can't contain them

2708
01:53:46,209 --> 01:53:44,059
within neat little boundaries and in

2709
01:53:48,909 --> 01:53:46,219
fact the the paranormal is really like

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Quicksilver itself you can put mercury

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into a container but if you take it out

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01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:53,630
and try and press on it it squishes into

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01:53:56,949 --> 01:53:55,010
a million different directions

2714
01:54:00,129 --> 01:53:56,959
and that's exactly how the paranormal

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01:54:02,290 --> 01:54:00,139
reacts and by paranormal I'm including

2716
01:54:03,850 --> 01:54:02,300
what I call broad spectrum phenomena

2717
01:54:05,529 --> 01:54:03,860
that would be everything angels to

2718
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:05,539
zombies and everything in between

2719
01:54:09,969 --> 01:54:08,239
including UFOs you follow just don't

2720
01:54:11,620 --> 01:54:09,979
like to consider themselves paranormal

2721
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the paranormal people aren't interested

2722
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in ufology the Bigfoot people don't care

2723
01:54:17,770 --> 01:54:16,249
about ghosts ooh UFOs and yet for

2724
01:54:20,259 --> 01:54:17,780
example if you talk to some of the

2725
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leading Bigfoot researchers they always

2726
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if they spend enough time out in the

2727
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:24,800
woods they always see mysterious lights

2728
01:54:29,229 --> 01:54:27,260
in connection with Bigfoot sightings so

2729
01:54:31,060 --> 01:54:29,239
there are common threads that connect

2730
01:54:33,009 --> 01:54:31,070
everything and take the vampire for

2731
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example what is a vampire well you've

2732
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got elements of the Incubus the succubus

2733
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the nightmare hag the poltergeist and

2734
01:54:45,179 --> 01:54:42,139
mysterious creatures and the returning

2735
01:54:47,949 --> 01:54:45,189
dead so where do we draw the boundaries

2736
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rosemary ellen guiley making her first

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appearance on the para cast but there's

2738
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going to be a joint appearance we hope

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between her and Phil in brog know in the

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very very near future

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rosemary ellen guiley who has never

2852
01:59:59,250 --> 01:59:55,659
heard Chris O'Brien do his famous singer

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02:00:01,320 --> 01:59:59,260
in person you know now you know what the

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soul behind the power cast is all about

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the interdimensional phenomenon of me

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02:00:07,500 --> 02:00:06,099
interacting with Chris from separate

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dimensions am I going to be

2858
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disillusioned I figured you already were

2859
02:00:17,310 --> 02:00:15,820
this is so much fun in person I wish we

2860
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could do this in person all the time I

2861
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wish we could just do a live show in

2862
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person all the guests in a round table

2863
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:23,440
like we have here we just have a table

2864
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in a conference room we have one

2865
02:00:31,589 --> 02:00:28,449
microphone mm-hmm one microphone that

2866
02:00:33,720 --> 02:00:31,599
hears in all directions is hears on sees

2867
02:00:36,689 --> 02:00:33,730
all but I'm gonna ask you about the

2868
02:00:40,050 --> 02:00:36,699
background here okay you start out in

2869
02:00:44,399 --> 02:00:40,060
life I gather you studied communications

2870
02:00:47,459 --> 02:00:44,409
you wrote for magazines etc etc what

2871
02:00:50,220 --> 02:00:47,469
attracted you to the crazy quilt world

2872
02:00:52,740 --> 02:00:50,230
of the paranormal it was a combination

2873
02:00:55,290 --> 02:00:52,750
of things gene I like all children I had

2874
02:00:57,300 --> 02:00:55,300
some paranormal experiences I was not a

2875
02:00:59,790 --> 02:00:57,310
what I would consider a major experience

2876
02:01:02,189 --> 02:00:59,800
here I did not have a big UFO abduction

2877
02:01:04,260 --> 02:01:02,199
experience I didn't have dead grandma

2878
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:04,270
come and visit me and in the bedside but

2879
02:01:08,250 --> 02:01:06,250
I did have invisible playmates that I

2880
02:01:10,020 --> 02:01:08,260
now think for fairies I had angel

2881
02:01:11,550 --> 02:01:10,030
experiences angels were around me all

2882
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the time and I took it for granted I

2883
02:01:16,020 --> 02:01:13,449
could hear them I could see them and my

2884
02:01:17,970 --> 02:01:16,030
mother also had very market psychic

2885
02:01:20,580 --> 02:01:17,980
experiences mainly in the area

2886
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:20,590
precognitive dreaming precognitive

2887
02:01:25,709 --> 02:01:23,010
dreaming in what respect she would dream

2888
02:01:27,010 --> 02:01:25,719
future events that would come true and

2889
02:01:30,340 --> 02:01:27,020
they usually related

2890
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:30,350
to deaths deaths of people sometimes she

2891
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:32,960
knew the people sometimes not so well

2892
02:01:37,630 --> 02:01:35,570
but they were always upsetting the

2893
02:01:39,880 --> 02:01:37,640
dreams had certain characteristics to

2894
02:01:42,970 --> 02:01:39,890
them that when it was a combination of

2895
02:01:45,490 --> 02:01:42,980
these characteristics and a dream she

2896
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:45,500
knew that it was one of those dreams and

2897
02:01:49,210 --> 02:01:47,930
they were very upsetting to her she also

2898
02:01:52,030 --> 02:01:49,220
had visitations

2899
02:01:54,460 --> 02:01:52,040
she was very unsettled by the paranormal

2900
02:01:56,230 --> 02:01:54,470
and really wanted it to go away she

2901
02:01:58,330 --> 02:01:56,240
didn't like that but I was intensely

2902
02:02:00,460 --> 02:01:58,340
curious and when she shared some of her

2903
02:02:02,110 --> 02:02:00,470
experiences with me I wanted to know

2904
02:02:04,690 --> 02:02:02,120
more especially about precognitive

2905
02:02:06,370 --> 02:02:04,700
dreaming by the time I was a teen I was

2906
02:02:08,590 --> 02:02:06,380
studying how to develop my own

2907
02:02:10,780 --> 02:02:08,600
extrasensory perception more I

2908
02:02:13,030 --> 02:02:10,790
experimented with my dreams astral

2909
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:13,040
travel looking into the future sending

2910
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:15,170
messages getting messages was this a

2911
02:02:18,940 --> 02:02:17,210
matter of meditating how did you get

2912
02:02:21,670 --> 02:02:18,950
into these states to attempt to do all

2913
02:02:23,650 --> 02:02:21,680
these things well as a teenager I wasn't

2914
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:23,660
really acquainted with meditation I got

2915
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:26,450
one of Harold Sherman's books on ESP

2916
02:02:30,490 --> 02:02:28,730
there was a lot of how-to material that

2917
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:30,500
he wrote about and I tried some of the

2918
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:32,570
techniques that he used himself and I

2919
02:02:37,780 --> 02:02:34,610
discovered I had success with them so

2920
02:02:40,630 --> 02:02:37,790
one thing led to another I also was very

2921
02:02:42,010 --> 02:02:40,640
interested in astronomy in fact when I

2922
02:02:46,510 --> 02:02:42,020
was little I wanted to be an astronomer

2923
02:02:47,710 --> 02:02:46,520
and go back track here success what kind

2924
02:02:49,990 --> 02:02:47,720
of success did you achieve

2925
02:02:52,900 --> 02:02:50,000
well I discovered that I could set my

2926
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intention to visit a certain place in my

2927
02:02:57,880 --> 02:02:55,250
dreams observe the environment in terms

2928
02:02:59,380 --> 02:02:57,890
of detail and then validate that with

2929
02:03:01,450 --> 02:02:59,390
someone later these were not

2930
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:01,460
sophisticated experiments I would do

2931
02:03:04,900 --> 02:03:03,110
them much differently now I would have

2932
02:03:07,150 --> 02:03:04,910
certain protocols set up and then I

2933
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:07,160
would try and look into the future Nutt

2934
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:09,170
big events but something that I might be

2935
02:03:13,660 --> 02:03:11,690
doing trying to see what I would be

2936
02:03:16,060 --> 02:03:13,670
doing in a day or two or who I might be

2937
02:03:18,250 --> 02:03:16,070
talking to I tried sending messages to

2938
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:18,260
my friends I discovered that I had some

2939
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:20,090
success with that there were very simple

2940
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:21,890
things okay so you send a message for

2941
02:03:26,770 --> 02:03:24,410
your friend and what kind of message and

2942
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:26,780
how did you see the realization of what

2943
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:28,850
you did well it certainly means texting

2944
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:35,360
well texting is a little more reliable

2945
02:03:41,450 --> 02:03:38,250
than dreams sometimes I would sure hope

2946
02:03:42,740 --> 02:03:41,460
so but seriously I've done several books

2947
02:03:44,419 --> 02:03:42,750
on dreams because I think they're very

2948
02:03:47,630 --> 02:03:44,429
important in our interdimensional

2949
02:03:50,540 --> 02:03:47,640
experience absolutely but these would be

2950
02:03:52,970 --> 02:03:50,550
simple things like this is rosemary are

2951
02:03:55,850 --> 02:03:52,980
you getting my message and I would focus

2952
02:03:58,070 --> 02:03:55,860
on a friend and then I would call that

2953
02:03:59,840 --> 02:03:58,080
friend up and ask you know did you have

2954
02:04:02,030 --> 02:03:59,850
a dream about me did you get get a

2955
02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:02,040
message from me were you thinking of me

2956
02:04:06,649 --> 02:04:04,650
you know and and I found that there were

2957
02:04:08,479 --> 02:04:06,659
various ways that we get these message

2958
02:04:10,430 --> 02:04:08,489
and messages and one was in a dream

2959
02:04:11,810 --> 02:04:10,440
itself that someone might have a dream

2960
02:04:14,180 --> 02:04:11,820
about me and I considered that a

2961
02:04:15,709 --> 02:04:14,190
connection a success the other would be

2962
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:15,719
well the other question would be then

2963
02:04:19,700 --> 02:04:17,730
have they had dreams about you prior to

2964
02:04:21,649 --> 02:04:19,710
the time that you tried to communicate

2965
02:04:23,689 --> 02:04:21,659
with him and I can't give you an answer

2966
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:23,699
to that because you know when you're in

2967
02:04:26,899 --> 02:04:25,170
your teens you're not doing

2968
02:04:30,590 --> 02:04:26,909
sophisticated experiments you're just

2969
02:04:33,020 --> 02:04:30,600
trying to see if something works let me

2970
02:04:35,419 --> 02:04:33,030
tell you I even cured somebody from a

2971
02:04:37,610 --> 02:04:35,429
smoking habit I was 19 or 20 years old

2972
02:04:39,410 --> 02:04:37,620
and I read a book on hypnotism and I

2973
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:39,420
said okay I know how to be a hypnotist

2974
02:04:45,500 --> 02:04:42,690
and so I tried and the person went under

2975
02:04:47,780 --> 02:04:45,510
I followed it to the letter and I gave

2976
02:04:49,610 --> 02:04:47,790
him the posthypnotic suggestion anytime

2977
02:04:51,620 --> 02:04:49,620
he tried to smoke a cigarette it would

2978
02:04:54,410 --> 02:04:51,630
have a bitter taste in his mouth and it

2979
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:54,420
worked for a while until everybody and

2980
02:04:59,620 --> 02:04:56,850
everyone tried to get him to try to

2981
02:05:02,930 --> 02:04:59,630
smoke so finally they forced him to

2982
02:05:09,470 --> 02:05:02,940
develop a brand new smoking habit I gave

2983
02:05:11,870 --> 02:05:09,480
it up but seriously speaking here okay

2984
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:11,880
so you had Jesse say limited success

2985
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:14,010
what about precognition did you try to

2986
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:16,530
think of an event that actually came

2987
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:18,570
true more than just something that might

2988
02:05:22,610 --> 02:05:20,850
be assumed at random to have happened

2989
02:05:23,899 --> 02:05:22,620
well sometimes I tried to see what was

2990
02:05:25,660 --> 02:05:23,909
going to be in the newspaper the next

2991
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:25,670
day you know that's a very common

2992
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:28,290
psychic test and I did read about that

2993
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:32,010
but I found that my intuitive or psychic

2994
02:05:35,930 --> 02:05:33,810
abilities were very different than my

2995
02:05:38,330 --> 02:05:35,940
mother's and I had limited success with

2996
02:05:41,020 --> 02:05:38,340
precognition I had more success with

2997
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:41,030
visiting or seeing distant location

2998
02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:44,530
sending messages and having these

2999
02:05:48,609 --> 02:05:46,610
experiences with like the beings I

3000
02:05:51,609 --> 02:05:48,619
called the angels when you're little you

3001
02:05:53,410 --> 02:05:51,619
assume that everybody has experiences

3002
02:05:55,149 --> 02:05:53,420
like this and then you get old and you

3003
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:55,159
realize that it's not a level playing

3004
02:05:57,220 --> 02:05:56,090
field

3005
02:05:59,950 --> 02:05:57,230
some people have none of these

3006
02:06:02,140 --> 02:05:59,960
experiences and I was very puzzled as I

3007
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:02,150
got older why people would say to me

3008
02:06:05,140 --> 02:06:03,650
that it was all in my head when I know

3009
02:06:08,830 --> 02:06:05,150
it wasn't all in my head

3010
02:06:10,709 --> 02:06:08,840
this also stimulated me to to research

3011
02:06:12,819 --> 02:06:10,719
further I was pretty much an armchair

3012
02:06:15,220 --> 02:06:12,829
researcher of course through my teens

3013
02:06:17,859 --> 02:06:15,230
and in my early adulthood I was just

3014
02:06:20,979 --> 02:06:17,869
trying to learn and understand as I got

3015
02:06:23,049 --> 02:06:20,989
older then I took a more active stance I

3016
02:06:25,209 --> 02:06:23,059
wanted to develop my abilities and I did

3017
02:06:26,919 --> 02:06:25,219
that through energy healing I took all

3018
02:06:28,479 --> 02:06:26,929
kinds of energy healing courses

3019
02:06:30,580 --> 02:06:28,489
intuitive development psychic

3020
02:06:32,890 --> 02:06:30,590
development intuition is a polite word

3021
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:32,900
for being psychic I started to apply it

3022
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:35,210
to my own investigations of the

3023
02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:37,280
paranormal because I wanted to have a

3024
02:06:42,970 --> 02:06:40,190
what I felt was a reliable way to open

3025
02:06:44,770 --> 02:06:42,980
up to experience to validate what I was

3026
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:44,780
experiencing and then to be able to

3027
02:06:49,299 --> 02:06:47,210
close down an energy healing was very

3028
02:06:51,069 --> 02:06:49,309
instrumental in that how do you think it

3029
02:06:53,140 --> 02:06:51,079
changed your life I mean you had a

3030
02:06:55,330 --> 02:06:53,150
pretty conventional life as a writer and

3031
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:55,340
journalist at one point did you say you

3032
02:07:00,609 --> 02:06:57,530
know what I really need to focus my life

3033
02:07:08,140 --> 02:07:00,619
on paranormal research I've never had a

3034
02:07:10,450 --> 02:07:08,150
conventional it's pretty much I don't I

3035
02:07:13,450 --> 02:07:10,460
don't live an ordinary reality very much

3036
02:07:16,419 --> 02:07:13,460
and I don't live an ordinary reality

3037
02:07:20,020 --> 02:07:16,429
very much anymore and that's changed

3038
02:07:21,549 --> 02:07:20,030
over the years I find it fascinating to

3039
02:07:23,770 --> 02:07:21,559
explore these other dimensional

3040
02:07:26,589 --> 02:07:23,780
realities I've had many experiences

3041
02:07:28,720 --> 02:07:26,599
they're mostly clairvoyant in nature of

3042
02:07:33,089 --> 02:07:28,730
perceiving entities when I'm out doing

3043
02:07:35,020 --> 02:07:33,099
investigations and I sometimes have

3044
02:07:36,490 --> 02:07:35,030
validation from other people who are

3045
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:36,500
present and sometimes I don't

3046
02:07:42,339 --> 02:07:40,130
we have rosemary ellen guiley who has

3047
02:07:45,549 --> 02:07:42,349
written over 40 books about the

3048
02:07:46,910 --> 02:07:45,559
paranormal and i envy that emily written

3049
02:07:49,370 --> 02:07:46,920
30 not about the

3050
02:07:51,260 --> 02:07:49,380
normal most of mine are assembly mine

3051
02:07:52,430 --> 02:07:51,270
books when you do assembly line books

3052
02:07:54,200 --> 02:07:52,440
you know you don't consider them

3053
02:07:55,939 --> 02:07:54,210
literary and everything respect at all

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we'll have more in a moment Chris

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why not give it a try it's been three

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the International UFO Congress just

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outside of Fountain Hills Arizona on

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sacred Indian ground I guess and we're

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waiting now for the Indian people to

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object to me maybe making a

3171
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light-hearted reference to that Chris

3172
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O'Brien of course our co-host was more

3173
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in tune with that part of humanity maybe

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he's protecting me here because boy I

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need a little protection so people say I

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need a lot more than protection maybe a

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little bit of help but I completely

3178
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admit to being guilty about that okay I

3179
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want to hit one more thing because

3180
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obviously we don't have a lot of time

3181
02:13:26,160 --> 02:13:23,980
with this Ellen all right let's focus on

3182
02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:26,170
the other area of the paranormal

3183
02:13:32,070 --> 02:13:28,960
experience so to speak UFOs how did you

3184
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:32,080
become interested in that aspect of this

3185
02:13:38,970 --> 02:13:36,880
my interest in UFOs grew out of my avid

3186
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:38,980
interest in science fiction was a

3187
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:41,650
voracious reader when I was younger I

3188
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literally started writing I'd like to

3189
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joke as soon as I could pick up a crayon

3190
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and also my interest in astronomy I was

3191
02:13:56,460 --> 02:13:54,280
around six or seven years old when I got

3192
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a little periscope cheap little

3193
02:14:00,570 --> 02:13:58,540
periscope telescope I went out one night

3194
02:14:04,470 --> 02:14:00,580
and looked at the moon and fell in love

3195
02:14:06,630 --> 02:14:04,480
with astronomy and eight of every book I

3196
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could find on it but I had this

3197
02:14:10,390 --> 02:14:08,920
unfortunate head-on collision with math

3198
02:14:16,720 --> 02:14:10,400
and

3199
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going to get a PhD in physics or math

3200
02:14:20,650 --> 02:14:18,200
and that's what it takes to be a

3201
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:20,660
professional astronomer but my interest

3202
02:14:27,100 --> 02:14:24,800
in astronomy really influenced a lot of

3203
02:14:28,510 --> 02:14:27,110
my understanding of the paranormal and I

3204
02:14:30,940 --> 02:14:28,520
have found that to be the case with

3205
02:14:32,920 --> 02:14:30,950
other researchers in this field that a

3206
02:14:36,580 --> 02:14:32,930
lot of them have intense interests in

3207
02:14:40,390 --> 02:14:36,590
astronomy okay so at that point when was

3208
02:14:42,550 --> 02:14:40,400
your first exposure to UFO lord you read

3209
02:14:45,550 --> 02:14:42,560
a book like a lot of us did did you see

3210
02:14:47,710 --> 02:14:45,560
a UFO I have actually never seen a

3211
02:14:51,310 --> 02:14:47,720
mysterious light in the sky I had lots

3212
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:51,320
of experiences but I and I to my

3213
02:14:56,020 --> 02:14:53,840
knowledge I've not been abducted I've

3214
02:14:59,290 --> 02:14:56,030
had lucid dream experiences with

3215
02:15:01,390 --> 02:14:59,300
entities that one could consider perhaps

3216
02:15:03,220 --> 02:15:01,400
to be ETS actually I think ETS are

3217
02:15:06,160 --> 02:15:03,230
really ultra terrestrials they come from

3218
02:15:08,830 --> 02:15:06,170
another dimension but I have an if

3219
02:15:11,260 --> 02:15:08,840
that's the case what about of course

3220
02:15:13,090 --> 02:15:11,270
really T's I mean we're right now

3221
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:13,100
discovering more and more planets and

3222
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:14,930
revolving around other star systems

3223
02:15:20,920 --> 02:15:17,810
yes I don't roll them them out so why

3224
02:15:23,080 --> 02:15:20,930
wouldn't an ET maybe have developed

3225
02:15:24,940 --> 02:15:23,090
before we did maybe they have found the

3226
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:24,950
way to travel amongst the stars

3227
02:15:29,710 --> 02:15:28,010
why wouldn't at least some UFOs BBT oh I

3228
02:15:32,380 --> 02:15:29,720
think that they probably are but I think

3229
02:15:34,300 --> 02:15:32,390
that the bulk of our contact experiences

3230
02:15:36,370 --> 02:15:34,310
that we label ETS are probably with

3231
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:36,380
beings from another dimension right here

3232
02:15:40,810 --> 02:15:39,110
in our physical world so it's a

3233
02:15:42,580 --> 02:15:40,820
combination of things and we may never

3234
02:15:44,350 --> 02:15:42,590
be able to find the boundary between the

3235
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:44,360
two because that boundary keeps sliding

3236
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:46,880
around people look for the paranormal to

3237
02:15:51,310 --> 02:15:48,410
be divided up into little black and

3238
02:15:54,100 --> 02:15:51,320
white pie slices and that is virtually

3239
02:15:56,140 --> 02:15:54,110
impossible to do and comes to this to

3240
02:15:58,720 --> 02:15:56,150
the people who are in our forms with the

3241
02:16:00,490 --> 02:15:58,730
more skeptical bent will say hey how do

3242
02:16:02,590 --> 02:16:00,500
you validate any of this if it's an

3243
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:02,600
internal experience in other words you

3244
02:16:06,670 --> 02:16:04,580
either know where you don't know how do

3245
02:16:08,650 --> 02:16:06,680
you go about investigating these things

3246
02:16:10,450 --> 02:16:08,660
to translate that information to other

3247
02:16:12,640 --> 02:16:10,460
people how do we follow it up how do we

3248
02:16:15,010 --> 02:16:12,650
quantify it how do we measure it it's

3249
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:15,020
very difficult to do from an empirical

3250
02:16:19,330 --> 02:16:16,970
standpoint and this is one reason why

3251
02:16:21,610 --> 02:16:19,340
science has such a hands-off in this

3252
02:16:22,820 --> 02:16:21,620
whole area ufology in the paranormal in

3253
02:16:24,770 --> 02:16:22,830
general it's a rook

3254
02:16:29,390 --> 02:16:24,780
real career killer for a lot of

3255
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:29,400
scientists so scientists are trained to

3256
02:16:33,589 --> 02:16:31,530
throw out the anomalies and ignore them

3257
02:16:35,959 --> 02:16:33,599
basically and just go for the you know

3258
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:35,969
the replication of data we're dealing

3259
02:16:42,290 --> 02:16:40,290
with with subjective experience and so I

3260
02:16:44,060 --> 02:16:42,300
think it's important for people to find

3261
02:16:47,060 --> 02:16:44,070
their own truth we have these

3262
02:16:48,980 --> 02:16:47,070
experiences that shake us up that expand

3263
02:16:51,589 --> 02:16:48,990
our worldview that tell us that there's

3264
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:51,599
a bigger picture out there and for most

3265
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:53,010
of us that's going to be a very

3266
02:16:58,280 --> 02:16:55,770
individual unique path to make meaning

3267
02:17:02,089 --> 02:16:58,290
of that so my work is oriented to that I

3268
02:17:05,450 --> 02:17:02,099
I try to put extraordinary experiences

3269
02:17:07,490 --> 02:17:05,460
within the context of things that people

3270
02:17:10,839 --> 02:17:07,500
are familiar with mythology folklore

3271
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:10,849
science other people's experiences

3272
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:15,770
anthropology and spirituality as well

3273
02:17:20,500 --> 02:17:18,719
all of these things combine to our

3274
02:17:23,780 --> 02:17:20,510
understanding of our extraordinary

3275
02:17:26,180 --> 02:17:23,790
experiences and for many people it's

3276
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:26,190
going to be their own inner truth that

3277
02:17:31,100 --> 02:17:28,650
they cannot or do not have to prove to

3278
02:17:32,300 --> 02:17:31,110
anyone else good point you know one of

3279
02:17:34,850 --> 02:17:32,310
the things that I've been fascinated

3280
02:17:36,919 --> 02:17:34,860
with is your ability to get out in the

3281
02:17:39,470 --> 02:17:36,929
field and actually do the work for

3282
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:39,480
aspiring field investigators so why

3283
02:17:44,450 --> 02:17:41,790
don't you give us a sense of your

3284
02:17:48,200 --> 02:17:44,460
personal approach into these areas and

3285
02:17:51,290 --> 02:17:48,210
obviously it from type of event or type

3286
02:17:53,629 --> 02:17:51,300
of report a type of phenomenon it's

3287
02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:53,639
going to be different but what is what

3288
02:17:57,650 --> 02:17:55,530
good it's kind of lead us through step

3289
02:17:59,780 --> 02:17:57,660
by step how you approach an

3290
02:18:03,020 --> 02:17:59,790
investigation we have some aspiring

3291
02:18:04,430 --> 02:18:03,030
investigators out there I believe in

3292
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using a mixture of hard and soft

3293
02:18:10,220 --> 02:18:08,400
approaches some equipment I don't outfit

3294
02:18:14,180 --> 02:18:10,230
myself up one side and down the other

3295
02:18:16,490 --> 02:18:14,190
like we see on the unreality shows and I

3296
02:18:18,890 --> 02:18:16,500
also believe in the use of psychics and

3297
02:18:21,770 --> 02:18:18,900
psychic ability well the unreality shows

3298
02:18:23,660 --> 02:18:21,780
a largely they're just props sometimes

3299
02:18:25,100 --> 02:18:23,670
they are yes there are there are pieces

3300
02:18:27,290 --> 02:18:25,110
of equipment that I don't think really

3301
02:18:29,570 --> 02:18:27,300
do anything they just look pretty pretty

3302
02:18:30,620 --> 02:18:29,580
cool on TV where they run around wearing

3303
02:18:33,349 --> 02:18:30,630
funny hats

3304
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:33,359
really good

3305
02:18:39,559 --> 02:18:36,479
some shows well I don't think your hat

3306
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is funny well he's a shadow man today is

3307
02:18:48,339 --> 02:18:43,139
that what it is yes my costume he's got

3308
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:48,349
a shadow man hat on and you're trying to

3309
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:51,090
understand or capture or engage with

3310
02:18:55,909 --> 02:18:53,760
things that are not completely in this

3311
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:55,919
dimension in fact there's a bleed

3312
02:19:00,439 --> 02:18:57,840
through of dimensions so try trying to

3313
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rely just on equipment is you're

3314
02:19:05,479 --> 02:19:03,539
destined for failure if all you bring is

3315
02:19:07,849 --> 02:19:05,489
equipment and expect that to do the job

3316
02:19:10,189 --> 02:19:07,859
for you if you stay in the paranormal

3317
02:19:12,739 --> 02:19:10,199
you're going to be engaging your psychic

3318
02:19:14,419 --> 02:19:12,749
senses and everybody has that ability to

3319
02:19:17,269 --> 02:19:14,429
some degree the more work you do the

3320
02:19:20,509 --> 02:19:17,279
more that flowers on its own and it has

3321
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to be acknowledged and used in the field

3322
02:19:25,009 --> 02:19:23,010
so I don't go in as a psychic and I've

3323
02:19:26,750 --> 02:19:25,019
never really build myself as a psychic

3324
02:19:29,659 --> 02:19:26,760
and I don't want to work that way but

3325
02:19:33,949 --> 02:19:29,669
nonetheless I use intuitive and psychic

3326
02:19:36,739 --> 02:19:33,959
impressions as part of my experience of

3327
02:19:38,899 --> 02:19:36,749
an investigation and my analysis of it

3328
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:38,909
so that's that's an important tool and

3329
02:19:43,729 --> 02:19:41,010
the tool toolkit in other words it is

3330
02:19:45,619 --> 02:19:43,739
and when I work with a lot of ghost

3331
02:19:47,869 --> 02:19:45,629
hunting groups because they've been so

3332
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popular in the past few years and people

3333
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:50,850
often ask me what they should do and I

3334
02:19:54,739 --> 02:19:52,770
say the number one thing you should do

3335
02:19:57,800 --> 02:19:54,749
is establish a practice of daily

3336
02:20:00,349 --> 02:19:57,810
meditation and regardless of whatever

3337
02:20:03,229 --> 02:20:00,359
your spiritual underpinnings are use

3338
02:20:05,960 --> 02:20:03,239
that as the basis meditation is one of

3339
02:20:10,609 --> 02:20:05,970
the best ways to open up your subtle

3340
02:20:12,649 --> 02:20:10,619
senses and also to to improve the buffer

3341
02:20:14,529 --> 02:20:12,659
of energy around you you're often

3342
02:20:18,319 --> 02:20:14,539
engaging with phenomena that can be

3343
02:20:20,599 --> 02:20:18,329
incredibly destabilizing and people will

3344
02:20:22,279 --> 02:20:20,609
go jumping off the the diving board and

3345
02:20:24,290 --> 02:20:22,289
the deep end of the pool because they

3346
02:20:27,580 --> 02:20:24,300
want to be instant investigators and

3347
02:20:30,609 --> 02:20:27,590
they wind up getting very destabilizing

3348
02:20:33,139 --> 02:20:30,619
inst well moving into what

3349
02:20:35,389 --> 02:20:33,149
investigations are let's go back to UFOs

3350
02:20:38,179 --> 02:20:35,399
for a brief second here or two and that

3351
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,189
is we have a lot of people here who

3352
02:20:43,639 --> 02:20:40,800
figure UFOs a physical their physical

3353
02:20:45,500 --> 02:20:43,649
craft from other planetary systems may

3354
02:20:46,460 --> 02:20:45,510
be injured dimensional in the sense they

3355
02:20:49,340 --> 02:20:46,470
use that for

3356
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transport okay the government knows this

3357
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therefore the government is honor bound

3358
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to tell us they want disclosure they

3359
02:20:57,469 --> 02:20:55,710
want the revelation that we're being

3360
02:20:59,360 --> 02:20:57,479
visited by ET or something

3361
02:21:01,070 --> 02:20:59,370
but based on what you say this can't

3362
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possibly happen because it doesn't work

3363
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that way well I think a large part of it

3364
02:21:07,540 --> 02:21:05,130
doesn't work that way but there there

3365
02:21:10,460 --> 02:21:07,550
may be some hard evidence out there and

3366
02:21:12,290 --> 02:21:10,470
I'm I'm still not quite certain what to

3367
02:21:13,790 --> 02:21:12,300
make of all the conspiracy theories out

3368
02:21:17,269 --> 02:21:13,800
there and what the government allegedly

3369
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:17,279
does know or doesn't know it strikes me

3370
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as difficult to keep a huge subject like

3371
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this under complete wraps for a very

3372
02:21:25,969 --> 02:21:24,300
long period of time there may be people

3373
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in government who is just as befuddled

3374
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as the rest of us as to what's really

3375
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going on but is there a piece of crap

3376
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somewhere or an alien' under wraps

3377
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:40,560
perhaps so I can't rule that out I don't

3378
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have a good answer then again how do you

3379
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even prove that's happening until were

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had a heart attack then my real health

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began going downhill and I had high

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blood pressure high blood sugar and poor

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vision and I really wasn't sleeping well

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02:25:28,180 --> 02:25:26,811
I was a mess pretty much Don reports

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02:25:30,340 --> 02:25:28,190
dramatic improvements with heart and

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02:25:32,170 --> 02:25:30,350
body extract I started taking a heart

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02:25:34,180 --> 02:25:32,180
and body extract and from within a few

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days I started sleeping a lot better

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02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:36,620
my blood pressure normalized my blood

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02:25:40,780 --> 02:25:38,960
sugar normalized and my sleep really did

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improve experience these benefits and

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more where your body gets what it needs

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with the assistance of heart and body

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extract order at HB extract calm or call

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for great talk radio but the more

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important search

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we are the gcn radio network hello this

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02:26:25,751 --> 02:26:23,240
is John burrows one of the witnesses to

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02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:25,761
the Rendlesham UFO incident you're

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02:26:35,820 --> 02:26:27,650
listening to the podcast the gold

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02:26:40,090 --> 02:26:38,320
okay neighbors if you have a comment or

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02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:40,100
a question about this week's special

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02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:42,409
episode of the power cast write us news

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02:26:46,630 --> 02:26:44,000
of the power cast calm

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02:26:48,519 --> 02:26:46,640
that's news at the power cast calm the

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final segment this week's episode of the

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02:26:51,880 --> 02:26:50,659
power cast I'm gene Steinberg Chris

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02:26:54,939 --> 02:26:51,890
O'Brien's the co-host

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02:26:58,960 --> 02:26:54,949
we are at the International UFO Congress

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we're doing on location recording with a

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microphone called appropriately enough

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Yeti I love it it's a very good

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microphones THX certified George Lucas

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gets a dime every time I speak because

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02:27:14,889 --> 02:27:12,529
of that rose mary ellen guiley joining

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02:27:17,170 --> 02:27:14,899
us she's at the crossroads of time-space

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02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:17,180
and infinity we've been trying to

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02:27:22,059 --> 02:27:18,800
explore a little bit about UFO

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02:27:23,710 --> 02:27:22,069
investigations okay let's go to bigfoot

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02:27:25,960 --> 02:27:23,720
for example so is Bigfoot

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02:27:27,939 --> 02:27:25,970
even if Bigfoot comes from the seventh

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02:27:30,849 --> 02:27:27,949
dimension or whatever is a physical

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02:27:32,859 --> 02:27:30,859
creature that has some kind of physical

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02:27:34,599 --> 02:27:32,869
origins what I don't think that Bigfoot

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02:27:37,059 --> 02:27:34,609
is physical in the sense that we

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02:27:40,450 --> 02:27:37,069
understand physical in our environment

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02:27:43,210 --> 02:27:40,460
but I think Bigfoot has some sort of

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02:27:45,460 --> 02:27:43,220
form in its own reality a lot of these

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02:27:48,040 --> 02:27:45,470
extraordinary experiences across the

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02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:48,050
board are with entities who seem very

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02:27:53,679 --> 02:27:50,930
solid they they often initially look

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02:27:56,109 --> 02:27:53,689
very solid to us and yet they have the

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02:27:58,120 --> 02:27:56,119
ability to vanish into thin air to go

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02:27:59,080 --> 02:27:58,130
through walls to shape-shift into

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02:28:01,179 --> 02:27:59,090
something else

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02:28:03,849 --> 02:28:01,189
okay shape-shifting so for example

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02:28:07,090 --> 02:28:03,859
Bigfoot looks like you know a big

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02:28:08,439 --> 02:28:07,100
overgrown kind of ape or eight man or

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02:28:11,109 --> 02:28:08,449
something like that or just a hairy

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02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:11,119
human what does it change into I don't

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02:28:15,280 --> 02:28:13,850
know a Bigfoot shape shifts to my

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02:28:17,139 --> 02:28:15,290
knowledge I don't think we have any

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02:28:19,689 --> 02:28:17,149
accounts of people seeing Bigfoot

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02:28:22,389 --> 02:28:19,699
shape-shift but this Bigfoot have

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02:28:26,019 --> 02:28:22,399
another form in its own reality does it

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02:28:27,550 --> 02:28:26,029
appear to us in a different form when we

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02:28:29,139 --> 02:28:27,560
see it in our reality these are

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02:28:31,660 --> 02:28:29,149
questions that we don't really have any

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02:28:32,979 --> 02:28:31,670
good answers to yeah and you know one

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02:28:34,540 --> 02:28:32,989
thing that I think it should be

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02:28:36,849 --> 02:28:34,550
mentioned is there seems to be a

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02:28:39,040 --> 02:28:36,859
connection between Bigfoot and UFO

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02:28:41,260 --> 02:28:39,050
sightings you kind of touched on this

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02:28:43,660 --> 02:28:41,270
earlier and one of the things I think

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02:28:44,310 --> 02:28:43,670
ufologist should be doing instead of

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throwing

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02:28:50,281 --> 02:28:47,440
the data that Bigfoot is around during a

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02:28:52,111 --> 02:28:50,291
UFO sighting wave they should you know

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02:28:53,551 --> 02:28:52,121
embrace it and and entertain the thought

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02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:53,561
that maybe there could be a connection

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02:28:58,261 --> 02:28:55,690
and the reverse is true for Bigfoot

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investigators as well and this is

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02:29:02,640 --> 02:29:01,061
something that I try and convey to the

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02:29:05,251 --> 02:29:02,650
various aspects of what I call the

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02:29:07,831 --> 02:29:05,261
paranormal community in general that if

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02:29:09,331 --> 02:29:07,841
you're if you're going to truly

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02:29:11,821 --> 02:29:09,341
understand what you're dealing with you

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02:29:14,041 --> 02:29:11,831
have to look across the board you can't

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02:29:16,051 --> 02:29:14,051
limit yourself to ghosts or UFOs or

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02:29:17,581 --> 02:29:16,061
Bigfoot or cryptids or Mothman or

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02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:17,591
fairies are angels whatever you're

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02:29:20,761 --> 02:29:19,030
interested in they're all

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02:29:23,341 --> 02:29:20,771
interconnecting you don't need to be an

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02:29:26,581 --> 02:29:23,351
expert in everything but you should be

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02:29:28,201 --> 02:29:26,591
somewhat versed in how other entities

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02:29:30,451 --> 02:29:28,211
are manifesting and how people are

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02:29:32,821 --> 02:29:30,461
experiencing them now we had a really

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02:29:35,191 --> 02:29:32,831
interesting breakfast this morning

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02:29:37,501 --> 02:29:35,201
together and one of the things that came

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02:29:39,511 --> 02:29:37,511
up was your your your cutting-edge work

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02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:39,521
here with film brog no on the on the

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02:29:42,691 --> 02:29:41,530
Djinn and when we have you and Phil back

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02:29:45,121 --> 02:29:42,701
we're going to be going into this

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02:29:46,591 --> 02:29:45,131
subject in depth but in the brief time

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02:29:49,981 --> 02:29:46,601
that we have left let's talk a little

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02:29:51,481 --> 02:29:49,991
bit about this new buzzword there were a

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02:29:53,341 --> 02:29:51,491
lot of people are starting to become

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02:29:57,331 --> 02:29:53,351
aware of and that's the Djinn which is a

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02:29:59,970 --> 02:29:57,341
kind of a Middle Eastern version of a

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02:30:01,621 --> 02:29:59,980
very multi farias type of a phenomena

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02:30:03,541 --> 02:30:01,631
what you want you to establish this a

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02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:03,551
little bit for us the Djinn come out of

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02:30:09,390 --> 02:30:06,610
Middle Eastern folklore their ancient

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02:30:12,301 --> 02:30:09,400
they come out of ancient Arabia and

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Persia they were originally like the

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02:30:18,151 --> 02:30:15,940
wind demons the entities who always

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02:30:20,161 --> 02:30:18,161
cause problems upsets anything that went

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02:30:23,341 --> 02:30:20,171
wrong could be blamed on the Djinn in

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02:30:25,261 --> 02:30:23,351
lore they are supernatural entities in

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02:30:27,511 --> 02:30:25,271
their own right they live in their own

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02:30:32,011 --> 02:30:27,521
world which we would consider a parallel

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02:30:34,531 --> 02:30:32,021
dimension and they have shape-shifting

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02:30:37,171 --> 02:30:34,541
abilities they have an interest in human

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02:30:40,291 --> 02:30:37,181
beings some of its benign some of its

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02:30:42,331 --> 02:30:40,301
neutral some of its negative and many of

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02:30:44,041 --> 02:30:42,341
our experiences with Djinn tend to be on

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02:30:46,470 --> 02:30:44,051
the negative side because I think those

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02:30:48,511 --> 02:30:46,480
ones are more willing to act out they

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02:30:52,950 --> 02:30:48,521
were absorbed into Islam

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02:30:57,150 --> 02:30:52,960
and the story that is explained in in

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02:30:59,700 --> 02:30:57,160
Islam is that when God created human

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02:31:04,020 --> 02:30:59,710
beings he told the angels and the jinn

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02:31:05,730 --> 02:31:04,030
who pre-existed them humans too we told

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02:31:07,801 --> 02:31:05,740
the angels in heaven to bow down before

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02:31:11,190 --> 02:31:07,811
humans and the Angels complied because

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02:31:13,890 --> 02:31:11,200
they have no free will but the jinn have

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02:31:16,801 --> 02:31:13,900
freewill and the leader of the jinn

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02:31:19,560 --> 02:31:16,811
embolus refused because he felt that

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02:31:21,180 --> 02:31:19,570
human beings were inferior and for that

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02:31:25,020 --> 02:31:21,190
he was cast out he and his followers

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02:31:27,841 --> 02:31:25,030
were cast out so to explain this in

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02:31:29,910 --> 02:31:27,851
modern terms it would be that the jinn

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02:31:33,770 --> 02:31:29,920
were here in Paradise which is the world

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02:31:36,990 --> 02:31:33,780
we exist in and they lost their homeland

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02:31:39,381 --> 02:31:37,000
to make way for us and went off were

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02:31:41,940 --> 02:31:39,391
shoved off into a parallel dimension

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02:31:43,980 --> 02:31:41,950
they are made of smokeless fire

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02:31:47,310 --> 02:31:43,990
according to lore which in modern terms

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02:31:48,961 --> 02:31:47,320
translates to plasma and so they have

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02:31:52,671 --> 02:31:48,971
the capability of being very good

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02:31:56,100 --> 02:31:52,681
shapeshifters and this is upheld in the

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02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:56,110
lore and also anecdotal experiences

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02:31:59,490 --> 02:31:57,760
genie in the bottle the genie in the

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02:32:01,410 --> 02:31:59,500
bottle is how they got trivialized in

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02:32:03,720 --> 02:32:01,420
the West and of course there are stories

3632
02:32:06,091 --> 02:32:03,730
about the jinn and and what became

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02:32:08,761 --> 02:32:06,101
genies in the Arabian Nights stories

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02:32:10,440 --> 02:32:08,771
when the term jinn was translated for

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02:32:13,110 --> 02:32:10,450
the Western audience it means the hidden

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02:32:14,190 --> 02:32:13,120
ones and when it was translated for the

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02:32:17,341 --> 02:32:14,200
Western audience

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02:32:20,610 --> 02:32:17,351
it became genie and there was some

3639
02:32:23,940 --> 02:32:20,620
confusion with the the Roman term genius

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02:32:25,560 --> 02:32:23,950
you know the spirit of place and so we

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02:32:27,301 --> 02:32:25,570
have the I Dream of Jeannie

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02:32:29,790 --> 02:32:27,311
you know the goofy genie in the bottle

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02:32:31,410 --> 02:32:29,800
who's obliged to grant wishes and we

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02:32:34,470 --> 02:32:31,420
have to hide her bellybutton remember

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02:32:37,950 --> 02:32:34,480
yes that's how we think of him in our

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02:32:41,220 --> 02:32:37,960
culture and yet there I was Barbie when

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02:32:44,551 --> 02:32:41,230
I was a little boy even without visible

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02:32:46,650 --> 02:32:44,561
bellybutton you know I saw her I guess

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02:32:48,570 --> 02:32:46,660
she was interviewed in her 70s and she

3650
02:32:51,330 --> 02:32:48,580
looked like she was like 35 or 40

3651
02:32:53,730 --> 02:32:51,340
amazing I just met her last year I go to

3652
02:32:55,711 --> 02:32:53,740
Dragon Con every year in Atlanta and she

3653
02:32:57,060 --> 02:32:55,721
and Larry Hagman and Bill Daley or all

3654
02:33:00,300 --> 02:32:57,070
there last year

3655
02:33:04,950 --> 02:33:00,310
and she still still got the look she's a

3656
02:33:07,380 --> 02:33:04,960
very glamorous woman but anyway so our

3657
02:33:10,250 --> 02:33:07,390
our premise and the vengeful Djinn which

3658
02:33:12,660 --> 02:33:10,260
just came out is that the Djinn are

3659
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:12,670
they're not hidden they're not limited

3660
02:33:16,170 --> 02:33:14,170
to the Middle East they're their

3661
02:33:18,030 --> 02:33:16,180
entities that we are engaging with all

3662
02:33:20,310 --> 02:33:18,040
the time but they like to stay in the

3663
02:33:22,410 --> 02:33:20,320
background being shapeshifters

3664
02:33:25,880 --> 02:33:22,420
they will use other forms they will use

3665
02:33:28,620 --> 02:33:25,890
shadow people fairies cryptids aliens

3666
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:28,630
ultra terrestrials demons

3667
02:33:33,450 --> 02:33:31,090
sounds like the trickster to me there's

3668
02:33:35,820 --> 02:33:33,460
a heavy trickster element in this Chris

3669
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:35,830
and that's oh yeah and that's where your

3670
02:33:39,660 --> 02:33:37,930
work comes in too because you've

3671
02:33:43,140 --> 02:33:39,670
documented some of these things in the

3672
02:33:45,210 --> 02:33:43,150
San Luis Valley and so we're trying to

3673
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:45,220
acquaint the Western audience with this

3674
02:33:50,310 --> 02:33:48,250
this presence and especially the

3675
02:33:52,320 --> 02:33:50,320
paranormal the broader prayer on

3676
02:33:57,150 --> 02:33:52,330
paranormal community and that includes

3677
02:33:58,920 --> 02:33:57,160
ufology that these entities are capable

3678
02:34:01,170 --> 02:33:58,930
of engaging with us sometimes in very

3679
02:34:02,700 --> 02:34:01,180
formidable ways and we don't understand

3680
02:34:05,130 --> 02:34:02,710
them and we don't have respect for them

3681
02:34:07,380 --> 02:34:05,140
and we need to have both and briefly the

3682
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:07,390
book is called the vengeful Djinn

3683
02:34:12,510 --> 02:34:10,930
unveiling the hidden agendas of genies

3684
02:34:14,310 --> 02:34:12,520
you know what happens when it comes out

3685
02:34:17,219 --> 02:34:14,320
of the bottle and Phil and Brock no is

3686
02:34:18,750 --> 02:34:17,229
your co-author and you and he will be

3687
02:34:20,730 --> 02:34:18,760
back on the power cache in the near

3688
02:34:23,490 --> 02:34:20,740
future let me hit you with one crazy

3689
02:34:27,660 --> 02:34:23,500
story that just came up today there's a

3690
02:34:30,690 --> 02:34:27,670
report that the army using some kind of

3691
02:34:33,929 --> 02:34:30,700
psychological operation was using mind

3692
02:34:37,070 --> 02:34:33,939
tricks or something to persuade US

3693
02:34:40,760 --> 02:34:37,080
senators to grant them as shall we say

3694
02:34:42,570 --> 02:34:40,770
higher allocations appropriations for

3695
02:34:44,429 --> 02:34:42,580
military hardware

3696
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:44,439
I'm serious they've been talking about

3697
02:34:51,450 --> 02:34:47,920
this oh my goodness was that on fox news

3698
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:51,460
you know there was a story on CNN and of

3699
02:34:56,760 --> 02:34:53,290
course one of the Senators allegedly

3700
02:34:59,040 --> 02:34:56,770
targeted Senator Joe Lieberman from your

3701
02:35:02,310 --> 02:34:59,050
home state of Connecticut he denied it

3702
02:35:03,150 --> 02:35:02,320
so very briefly we only have it like two

3703
02:35:06,030 --> 02:35:03,160
minutes

3704
02:35:08,849 --> 02:35:06,040
is the government using any of this or

3705
02:35:16,260 --> 02:35:08,859
harnessing any of this to play mind

3706
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:16,270
games on people I can't say that I'm you

3707
02:35:20,700 --> 02:35:18,640
know I'm not speaking as an expert on

3708
02:35:23,309 --> 02:35:20,710
this I just have personal opinions but

3709
02:35:24,929 --> 02:35:23,319
my opinion is that the government would

3710
02:35:28,530 --> 02:35:24,939
have to be interested in how to use

3711
02:35:30,900 --> 02:35:28,540
mental powers to influence physical

3712
02:35:32,790 --> 02:35:30,910
things and to people and influence

3713
02:35:34,769 --> 02:35:32,800
people we have this documented in

3714
02:35:37,650 --> 02:35:34,779
science that intentionality look at the

3715
02:35:39,150 --> 02:35:37,660
the work of there's been scientific

3716
02:35:42,900 --> 02:35:39,160
research demonstrating that in

3717
02:35:45,479 --> 02:35:42,910
intentionality is possible that you can

3718
02:35:47,219 --> 02:35:45,489
use that your mental powers to affect

3719
02:35:48,660 --> 02:35:47,229
the environment around you and the

3720
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:48,670
thoughts and a great brands work on

3721
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:50,770
Lebanon or they meditated and

3722
02:35:54,809 --> 02:35:52,810
inexplicably a violent stop during the

3723
02:35:57,300 --> 02:35:54,819
meditation period they did a three times

3724
02:35:59,639 --> 02:35:57,310
and replicated their data okay the book

3725
02:36:01,920 --> 02:35:59,649
is called one more time the vengeful

3726
02:36:04,260 --> 02:36:01,930
Djinn unveiling the hidden agendas of

3727
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:04,270
genies our guests rosemary ellen guiley

3728
02:36:08,670 --> 02:36:06,399
and our friend Phil in Prague no

3729
02:36:10,349 --> 02:36:08,680
co-author that book we look forward to

3730
02:36:13,290 --> 02:36:10,359
having both of you back on the power

3731
02:36:14,519 --> 02:36:13,300
casters has been a special show on the

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scene at the International UFO

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conference with the Yeti microphone my

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co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm Jim

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Steinberg a very special thanks to

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rosemary ellen guiley thanks for joining

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us this week on the power cast Thank You

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Jeanne and thank you Chris you're

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this is a calculated presentation of

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making the impossible incorporated tune

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in next week for a new adventure in a